Mona Patel: Founder of Reframe with Mona

Episode 601

On this episode of The Kara Goldin Show, I’m joined by Mona Patel, Founder of Reframe with Mona, an expert in reframing the way we think. Mona shares how she’s worked with major brands like Nike, Facebook, and Pfizer, teaching leaders to listen, question, and observe better. We explore her unique approach to leadership transformation, how to embrace fear and reframe setbacks, and the power of storytelling in shifting mindsets.
Tune in to hear Mona’s powerful insights on unlocking fresh perspectives. Now on The Kara Goldin Show!

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Kara Goldin 0:00
I am unwilling to give up that I will start over from scratch as many times as it takes to get where I want to be. I want to be you. Just want to make sure you will get knocked down. But just make sure you don’t get knocked out, knocked out. So your only choice should be go focus on what you can control. Control. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. Join me each week for inspiring conversations with some of the world’s greatest leaders. We’ll talk with founders, entrepreneurs, CEOs and really, some of the most interesting people of our time. Can’t wait to get started. Let’s go. Let’s go. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. So excited to have my next guest with us. We have Mona Patel, who is the founder of Reframe with Mona, previously called Gray Zones. You may know her company by that name as well, but I’m super excited to have her here with us today. She is an expert in reframing how we think, and the visionary behind the organization, Gray Zones, Mona has worked with major brands. Maybe you’ve even been part of one of her reframe sessions, but places like Nike, Facebook, Pfizer, in addition to many group works with places like Vive, which is Gary Vaynerchuk and Andrea Sullivan’s new organization, etc, so really teaching leaders how to listen, question and observe in new ways, and her unique approach of knowing when to listen to what people are saying and when to ignore it and help them anyway, has set her really apart. So such an immersive experience that really inspires leadership transformations. And I can’t wait to dive into Mona’s super fascinating approach and hear more about how she got here and how she’s using reframing to inspire lasting change. So welcome, Mona, thank

Mona Patel 2:03
you. It’s so it’s such an honor to be here. I’m so excited to share everything that I know about reframing and hopefully inspire people to do more of it themselves. Because it really is a game changer. It switches your mind in such a beautiful way towards growth and towards opportunity. And it’s, it’s one of the most rewarding things I’ve done in my career, and I’m just very excited to share it well. You

Kara Goldin 2:23
are so awesome. Mona and I met through a mutual friend, Andrea Sullivan, and we were wonderful. Andrea and we were both in Santa Fe together, where we got to spend a little bit more time together, and she actually helped me a bit. I need more reframing. Definitely, everyone could use some more. Mona, yeah, but definitely just, just absolutely inspiring in every way, and so, so useful. So let’s dive in. When did you first realize the power of reframing and how did it become kind of the core of what you do every day? Yeah.

Mona Patel 3:04
So I would say 2013 actually. We were doing some research for a trading platform, and we had come up with all of these ideas. And the group that we were working with, the product group, they they had a lot of fear around embracing new ideas, like they were just, this is the way it is. Is is the way we’ve always done it. We’re not sure if customers actually need this. And I started to realize when people are in a state of fear, when they’re in that fixed mindset, it’s very difficult to get them to see the potential of an innovative idea or a breakthrough. So I wanted to create a process that kind of guided them through in a very gentle, kind graceful way, for that new idea to become their idea, and for an insight to actually occur. Luckily for me, my undergrad degree was in, like, my the degree was engineering psychology, but my dissertation was in the AHA effect, like, what makes an AHA happen in your mind? And so I started thinking like, if I can make it possible for people to hear a bunch of ideas and then receive them in a powerful way so that they feel that ownership. That’s what my job was. It wasn’t to give them the ideas. It’s to give them kind of the platform for the idea to grow. And so 2013 I started working on the process. It was a little different than where it is right now. At that time, we did three minutes of asking, what if questions three times on post it notes. It was very like IDEO esque, which is where my first internship was. And so I kind of downloaded that. My background is in design thinking. So it’s always like, how do we move people forward and get them to think more expansively? And it started working. You know, it really started to feel like people were taking ownership of the idea, and then they would move forward with it. And so I did that for a while, and then I kind of lost my my excitement for reframing in the middle there. I think I had ended up in a role in my business that this is a UX business where I was doing more operations. I wasn’t getting to lead the workshops. I had teams that did all that and and I kind of burned out, I’ll be really honest, like, hard, very hard, around 2019 and so when 220 20 came and covid, I just kind of walked away for the most part, and spent the last few years, like, not able to reframe. And I think I needed that, you know, in the way the universe gave that to me as painful as it was to go through, because now I have such an appreciation for it, and I bring, you know, 5,000% to the table whenever I can, because I know how important it is for leaders to be able to switch out of this feeling of everything is happening to me, and I don’t have any choices into a space where they have anything and everything available to them, and it kind of empowers them and uplifts them and aligns them to a truth that they weren’t able to see before they got that challenge. So

Kara Goldin 5:56
you you work with individuals, but then you also work with amazing organizations that seem like they completely have it all together, but often you get called in by various big name companies. I had mentioned, Nike, Facebook, Pfizer, you know, incredible companies that are definitely still doing incredible things, but they want somebody from the outside to come in and take a look at how to reframe or maybe there’s groups within the company that they feel like leaders feel like you could really be helpful. Can you name an example? You don’t have to necessarily name a company, but name an example where that is the case? Yes,

Mona Patel 6:42
absolutely. So one of my favorites is one that we did end of last year. I’m so proud of it. Allison Pulte at Novartis had me come in and do a keynote at one of their sales team kind of summits, and then we did a round of six reframes for their sales leadership team. And we had such beautiful results from this. Like, you know, a lot of times when a deal is coming through the pipeline, it gets stuck, you know, client doesn’t respond. There’s a maybe a miscommunication, or just even a lack of chemistry between the person who’s in charge of the account and the client. And so what do you do in those stages? A lot of times, when we’re very busy, we can’t quite think in that divergent way of new and creative ideas. So we had the sales team come in, and each time they would present a challenge, you know, we have that format where they present a challenge for three minutes, and then we give them what if, and I wonder if ideas and so much money was unlocked in the deal flow. But on top of that, the team collaboration that, you know, the support that they had for 1h for each other, and saying, I’ve been through this, I’ve done this. You know, this has happened to me too. Don’t take it to heart. Here’s a way out of it that was beautiful. And the fact that it was so fast really got like this energy, momentum going. It was one of my first reframes in this new format. And even I was surprised at the results. You know, the it increased collaboration, it increased creativity, it increased humility, it increased desire, vulnerability. Like people, you know, when do you want to show them vulnerable at work? But this method really encouraged people to say, I’m stuck. I actually don’t know what to do about this. And then some of the personnel challenges have been really fascinating, too. There have been a number of companies that have gone in smaller teams where there are people who are not getting along and they haven’t even the time to have empathy for the other person’s perspective. And so although it gets a little like hairy and messy to have everyone in one room, and we’re talking about it, it’s out now, and we can actually look at the challenge and say, well, here’s what I was bringing to that challenge. I made a lot of assumptions, and I did a lot of judgment, and that’s something for me to learn. And so it’s kind of, it’s had this very interesting growth where, you know, traditional innovation, change management, reframe works incredible for that, but this kind of softer. How do I get a team to love each other? How do I get people to want to come to work and feel like they can bring their whole selves to work? That’s been incredible on the team side. And then also, I’m just actually really proud of the fact that they don’t need me. After the six like, I’ve called and been like, are you good? And they’re like, We are good. We’re asking, what if? And I wonder if, every time you know, we’re in a good space. Everyone feels healthy. So that’s also really important to me. I don’t like when people, like kind of need to have a moderator or someone come in to have a process or personally, I just believe that if you can own it, like, back to the original story, if you can own it, you will make it yours, and you’ll use it more often. It’s

Kara Goldin 9:37
so fascinating, because I think what you’re talking about is leadership too, and in the sense that so many leaders, I think, or people who claim to be leading, are, you know, hoping that their team figure it out right amongst themselves. They’re, you know, they need to be adults. I’ve seen this like over and over again, or if somebody’s stuck. In such like you still need to figure it out, otherwise you wouldn’t be where you are today. But sometimes actually having somebody come in from the outside, yeah, is is really the case where you can help these people to get unstuck. And I think that the best leaders will actually call on somebody to do this, to come in, and that doesn’t mean that you aren’t a great leader. It’s just sometimes it’s somebody who’s coming in with a totally different perspective as well.

Mona Patel 10:28
Exactly, I think, you know, as leaders, we do need to understand that feeling stuck. There’s a neurology around it. You know, you’re not in your prefrontal cortex when you feel stuck, your amygdala is essentially running the show, making you feel hopeless and in fear, you know, and you might have fight or flight symptoms that are happening. And so a leader’s responsibility, I think, is to help people get out of that. And if you don’t know how there’s a process, you know, it’s a very simple and easy process that you can use to encourage teams to come together and help each other feel less stuck. Feeling stuck we pretend like we’re not, or if we assign shame to it, it only gets worse. You know, being able to say, I help me? Yeah,

Kara Goldin 11:07
no, definitely. So what’s the most underrated question leaders should really be asking themselves daily,

Mona Patel 11:16
how can I be of service? How can I be of service today? You know, a lot of times we’re expecting our teams to do what we need them to do, which, of course, is, I can understand that. But if you are in service to people, they will be able to do more for you, you know. And so really thinking about, what can I do for you today that will expand or grow you? That’s, I think that’s also how you keep people for life. You know, I’ve had a lot of people work with me for decades, and I’m not that old, so that’s pretty that’s pretty exciting, you know, and it’s, it’s because of that. It’s because if I care for you, then you’ll always do your best job for me.

Kara Goldin 11:51
So one of the things that we talked briefly about before we hopped on was your company name, so it’s and so you have been working with a name called Gray Zones, but over and over, I think people have been so jazzed about what you’re doing with reframe, which obviously was underneath the Gray Zones, but now you’re you’re really focusing On rebranding. Yeah, when do you do that?

Mona Patel 12:22
It’s happening live. Because I am, you know, supposed to be customer focused. Customers are saying, do this. And I didn’t, I didn’t realize, you know, it’s one of those things like, and I think all of us know that when we have a superpower, we kind of take it for granted. You know, reframing is just a thing that I’ve been able to do for a long time. And so I just didn’t think it was that special. I didn’t think anything would really come up. And honestly, it was Andrea and Marissa, who we both know, who saw the potential and said, Can you please just stick to this for a year? Gray Zones, I had started in that burnout period of 2020, where I didn’t want to run a business anymore. I was exhausted from the operations. It’s so not my vibe to do that, and I was forcing myself to not only do it, but get good at it, because I thought that that’s what a CEO was, you know. And so I had these, like, fixed beliefs around what it was to be a CEO. And I just was so bad at it, like I kept trying, and I just, you know, nothing about it was easy, nothing about it was fun. And so I needed something fun. So I started Gray Zones, and I started writing plays. It like came from an artist, way, you know, date night, I took out myself out on and the plays were around really interesting topics like sexual harassment or microaggression in the workplace. And I was trying to reframe people and have them see these, these topics differently, but through plays. And then last year, I started doing these reframe sessions, and it was around leadership development and growth, you know, help me see what I don’t see. Help me see my blind spots. Give me a perspective that empowers me, because my current perspective sucks. And it turns out that that is exactly what people need me to be focused on, you know, helping them more directly than writing a play. And so there was, like, a little hesitation, I think last year, of, is this going to work? This year, there’s kind of a lot of proof points that people really need this. And so I’m catching up, and I’m I’m moving it over. And, you know, a lot of this is me getting over my own shyness, you know, like, you know, have these amazing marketing geniuses in my life, and they’re like, call it reframe with Mona. I’m like, put my

name in it, but then people will see me like, then I’ll be in the center of it. Do I want

that? And yeah, because people want to trust.

You know, this is a very sensitive area. You’ve been thinking and believing a certain thing. These beliefs are lodged in our minds, and we have identities associated with them, and they need to trust the person telling them this, this belief, is not serving you. You know, you can, you can, and you are meant to do much more than what you are doing, and you’re keeping yourself stuck, you know, in a space that’s limiting you. And if they can’t see my face, and they can’t feel me coming from. In that space of, like, wanting the best for for you, then reframe is not going to work. And so I’ve been kind of peeling back my own, you know, insecurities and shyness and, you know, is this what I want to do? And am I? Am I? You know, imposter syndrome, all the things that we all have, I’ve just been stripping away a little bit at a time. I

Kara Goldin 15:22
love it. So you talk about imposter syndrome and shyness, but I’ve also heard you talk about fear and your take on fear. Can you talk a little bit about how reframe can really help people really dive into what their fears are, and how did they get through them?

Mona Patel 15:43
Yeah. I mean, look, it is, you know, obviously fear, by definition, is scary and we don’t want to do scary things. Our brains are automatically programmed to keep us away from scary things like that’s almost the whole purpose of it, besides processing and so a lot of what I spend time with people doing is helping them understand the neuroscience of how fear is working in their mind, so that they trust their mind less, and they can go into their heart, into their intuition, and say, What is my deep knowing? Because a deep knowing like massively will overtake a fear you know when you know that you’re meant for something bigger, when you know that you’re not being treated well, when you know that you are able to do something and you want to try, even if you fail, it doesn’t matter, because it’s so fun for you to put this in your life resume, then you do it. But if those deep intuitions aren’t there and you’re riding your your life on instinct or on impulse, then those are different than intuition, and fear will win, and we will get caught in that fear cycle unless we and we will stay there until we consciously look at it and say, I don’t want this. This belief is not serving me. You know, this belief of being less than or this belief that I don’t have enough of x, or I’m not good enough for y. These are dumb. These are if I don’t, I’ll learn it. If I can’t, I’ll figure that out. I can ask for help. You know, there’s ways for me to get out of these limiting beliefs. And so that’s that’s basically kind of the curriculum, but to learn it intellectually doesn’t work, which is why the reframe process is, you know, three minutes no more of you sharing your fear, sharing your challenge, sharing your doubt, where you feel stuck, and then you have to turn around and be quiet. You’re actually not allowed to talk for the remaining five minutes. And like, I wish this was, like, much more genius than it was, but like, we just don’t listen for five minutes. Leaders don’t listen. And so just to have five minutes of of input, and often uplifting, inspiring, empowering input, people who love us, people who see us, people who want the best for us, telling us, Hey, you’re not seeing this the way we’re seeing this. You’re not seeing your potential the way we see your potential. Is life changing. It’s, it’s, I mean, we’ve done about 268 of these now, and 266 people have been reframed. And I’d say about 130 of them are like, this is life changing. I have carried this stupid belief my whole life that I wasn’t good enough, or I can’t or like things don’t work out for me, or I just don’t know, and I can’t figure it out. I’ve been carrying this, you know, and I get taken advantage of, and I’m tired of it. And this little quick process, which, of course, you know, my job is to make it easy and simple. That’s what my UX background is supposed to be for, you know. But the nine minute process is meant for you to go, wow, I am stuck in my mind. I’m not stuck. I’m stuck in my mind. And I can switch out of it.

Kara Goldin 18:37
I love it well. And I think sometimes it’s actually diving into your fears. I mean, one of the things I wrote a book a few years ago, and one of the things that I’ve done is actually figure out a way. Often when things are so scary to me, I try and separate myself, but I if that’s not working, I’ve gone through this process where I actually put myself in there. So, for example, I’m terrified of heights, and so I tried to think about where was the first time that I really found remember that experience, and it was the Grand Canyon. And so then I planned to hike into the Grand Canyon, and that was like a lot for me to be able to do that. And then I tried to figure out ways that I could get through the steps when I closed my eyes and I started in the dark at four o’clock in the morning with a headlamp, and went through the process. And the most interesting thing is all the predictions that I had about that really scary experience never came true. It was so many other things happened, like a goat nearly hit me in the head, who jumped over me and almost took me out, like all these things, a herd of coyotes, rattlesnakes, like all of these things along the way. And what I realized when I got through it was that you. Just have to keep going. You have to keep moving, and have to keep trying and figuring out things along along the way. So So although that is a still challenging for me, heights, I found that I’m very proud when you get through something too that you want to do it again and you want to do it again. So I would imagine you’ve got people who are getting this isn’t just a one and done for people. Maybe they’re maybe it’s not next week that they come back, but later on, when they get stuck again, they’re going to be coming back in and trying with you too, to reframe, yeah, what

Mona Patel 20:36
I’ve seen is that you need about six of these to really get good at it. And it was really funny. We were at the Vive growth summit this past weekend in Santa Fe and one of the vibers pulled me aside after we did the second reframe, and he said, I noticed how you and Andrea just had like, if there was ever any quiet, you had an idea. I said, yeah, it’s just practice like and imagine being a leader who consistently can come up with a what if or I wonder, anytime on demand, as many as you want, you know, and that’s the kind of the opening that you want to create. And when you create that opening, the fear doesn’t have a lot of room to live, you know, like it’s just expand. It’s like a rainbow unicorn mind. And then there’s this little shadowy cloud that doesn’t have a home because you’re consistently curious and in a state of wonder and awe. You know about what’s going on empathy is winning over fear in all of your interactions, because you’re training your mind to be that way. And I think that’s the thing that people don’t understand. They just think like that person’s more empathetic and that person’s more kind. You can choose to be, you know, you can choose to be a leader that has tremendous amounts of empathy and kindness and be powerful and consistently come up with ideas that help people see their challenges in a different way. And that’s literally six hours of this is all you need to be exposed to before it just starts to ruminate and people joke they’re like now I just hear your voice saying, I wonder what if I said, Good, great. Now attach a Daffy Duck voice to the fear. I can’t, you know, I don’t want to, I don’t know how, and keep your voices, you know, kind of directing you towards where you want to go in life.

Kara Goldin 22:12
Yeah, definitely. So we live in a super fast paced world, obviously filled with distractions, so leaders get kind of caught up in their own stuff, their mindset often. You know, maybe they don’t even see that their mindset is a certain way, but it actually is sure. How do you reframe their mindset to focus on what truly matters? I mean, I would imagine that they’re thinking, Okay, I’ve got goals. I’ve got to be able to hit these things, and it’s just not working. But how do you get them in a session to really refocus? You were in Santa Fe this weekend and working with a group, as you mentioned, can you kind of take us through maybe that too? Because I really think a reframe is really changing that mindset for so many leaders.

Mona Patel 22:59
That’s exactly it. So we talk, and Carol directed, you know, obviously, has done amazing work around this idea of fixed mindset and growth mindset. And we all want to have a growth mindset as much as possible, especially leaders. But when we’re in a fixed mindset, it’s hard to see it, and that’s why, you know, my recommendation is like schedule time to see it. You know, when you have three minutes, a lot of times people don’t know what they’re going to say. Is their challenge. When they’re given those three minutes for them to speak, and that’s when you know it’s going to be good. That’s when you know that it’s not a problem that they have defined. They don’t even see the real problem yet. And so, you know, the first few times we will really schedule them, like once every Tuesday, and they come and they’re like, I don’t know if I need a reframe, and we’ll say, just speak for three minutes. And that’s what happened this weekend as well. The two people on the second day who spoke, they didn’t know if they had a challenge, and also they didn’t necessarily like, want to volunteer and go, because we don’t want to show everyone that we’re vulnerable. But if you have a scheduled time, and you know you have three minutes, it’s going to come out. And so this is one of the techniques of this whole process. Is that if you ask people, do you need a reframe? Usually the answer is no, but of course, they do. And so we have to teach them it’s okay to ask for it. It’s going to feel great after and the only way to really do that is to experience it. Most people avoid this reframe. They’re they don’t. They want to stick to their fixed mindset. That’s how your mind is designed. And so, you know, being able to be in a situation where you’re not forcing but you’re at least giving yourself the opportunity to be honest and be truthful about where I am having challenges, and the leaders that open up this way have teams that open up this way. If a leader doesn’t, then it’s not safe for me to do so either. So fixed mindset to growth mindset. We know, in theory, that’s where we want to go. I just found it really hard to go there. So that’s why this process came in. I feel like reframe is like the bridge between the two, where you’re fixed, you don’t know you’re fixed. You do a reframe now you’re in growth because you realize. Wow, I was not looking at that in the right way. That’s me and my perspective. That’s causing the challenge, not the thing you know. So for example, if you have let’s see one that came up this past weekend. One of the women executive had a this personal and professional, so her mother was just diagnosed with cancer, and so there’s no silver lining to that. We’re not going to reframe that into a positive perspective. But when we got to the three minutes, the core issue is, you know, I have a successful career at work. I do I take? Like, do I stop and go take care of my mom? Like, how will I want to look at this later in my life and my decisions? And, you know, through a reframe, we were able to show her a number of things. One, that it could be yes, and two, that she’s putting a lot of pressure on herself. Three, talk to your mom. See what she wants you to do. You know. Four, why have guilt like this is an amazing opportunity to do both. Five, have you talked to your boss? You know, all of these amazing avenues opened up for her. Of like, you know what? I’m creating a problem in my head, and I haven’t actually pursued the ways that I could make this work for me. She has an opportunity to do a project, you know, maybe she could work with her company to really revamp the way, like, home care and elderly care is handled at her company, because she’s an executive. So so many things could open up for this challenge that so many people have, you know, and so when you see it as like, oh my gosh, this horrible thing has happened in my life, it’s pretty tight, and you’re going to be in that fear mindset when you open up to like, this is happening, I have to accept and admit it’s happening. And here are, again, not positive because, you know, we’re not trying to do that here, but here is where the opportunity is for me to grow or have a growth mindset in this life challenge that has come in.

Kara Goldin 26:50
I love it, and I think to some extent what I’m hearing you say too is also going with it, right? So letting things go and sort of allowing the flow to happen. Because I think if you so often, you know we’re putting up barriers. We’re saying no, or we can’t, or whatever, but at some extent, we we need to. I feel like that’s some of the feedback that you’ve gotten from people, too.

Mona Patel 27:17
Yeah, this I was, I went back and just kind of took notes from this month’s reframes only like, what are the themes that have come up this Yes, and, you know, like people are picking between A and B, black and white, yes and no, and we’re showing them the gray area in between, the gray zone in between. Another theme is people are are protecting themselves and not getting vulnerable. And a lot of the what ifs, and I wonder ifs allow them a space to really feel the heaviness of the challenge that they’re having, and have a release in nine minutes that unlocks that new way of thinking. Other times, there are people who are being almost too tenacious, like they’ve invested too much time, too much money, too much effort in something, and they won’t let go. And, you know, it’s really a it’s, it’s healing for them to hear, well, like, what if you let go? Like, what if you stop? What if you just cut your losses? Here, I wonder if you would have more time and more bandwidth for new opportunities to come into the doorway, if you would stop blocking your doorway. So that’s another theme. And then I think the last is, like, you just didn’t see option C, you know, you’ve been so busy with like, making option a work, and I have a plan B in case it doesn’t work. But there’s C, D and E, and having, you know, a format where people are coming together and sharing. Here are all the ideas that are available to you. Short circuits your brain. It’s designed to short circuit the neural pathways in your brain so that you go, wait. I don’t actually have a go to default to solve this problem. And I might have 50 other ideas that I could take when we do these, I would say the most common reaction after people get all of their what ifs and I wonders from the group of people who are on the on the team, they’re grateful, they feel heard. But it’s overwhelming. It is overwhelming because you just didn’t see it, you know, you didn’t see all the potential that was available for you. Yeah,

Kara Goldin 29:16
no, I think that that just is that hits it on the head. I mean, completely. So last question, reframe by Mona and Gray Zones. Where, like, Where can we learn more about this, and how do we get you involved in our organization or for us individually, too. Yes,

Mona Patel 29:42
absolutely. So reframe with Mona has the latest of all the offerings. You can reach out to me right now. I’m still at [email protected] but I will switch it over over the course, but you can probably hit me up on both. I am going to you know. This. This year has been a very transformational year for me, personally and professionally, every combination of selling companies and getting divorced, and so as I come back, I’ll be doing more on LinkedIn that’s also reframe with Mona, the organization, work is so rewarding for me because you just have this team that’s like working together certified in doing reframe, in this particular method that I know works. So I’d love to talk to people about doing it in a team. Happy to do one for your team, so you can see it in action, and then you can take it from there. If it works, great, but I know it works, so just be warned, it’s going to work. And then individuals, I’m really leaning hard on retreats. You know, I think leaders need space. We need space. We need community. We need to be able to lean on each other, be real, honest, vulnerable, and weirdly, we feel better doing that in with strangers. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of really odd that we like are telling strangers things that we are scared to tell our spouses and our partner you know, our siblings and our parents. So I’m going to be doing many more retreats, probably with Andrea, who we’ve talked about. So Vive is a great place to go. If you’re an entrepreneur or an executive and you want to like work on yourself and your business will benefit as a result of you getting super clear on who you are and what you’re here to do, your passion and all the wisdom that you’ve accumulated. And then I am going to update the reframe book.

Kara Goldin 31:29
I love it now that I’ve

Mona Patel 31:32
said, I said it with Kara, so now I have to, you have to do it. I’m gonna, I’m gonna do that. So I think during the holidays, as things calm down, I’ll like go back in and really put a lot of this new work in. I did do a first draft of it, and I’m really happy with that, because I have snippets of when people have come to the reframe sessions and their challenge, and then what happens just after five minutes, and you can hear in their voice how much lighter and freer they are by having that reframe happen. So that book will be available as well, I would guess, early next year for you to see this process, try it yourself with PTA, groups, companies, you know, families, my kids and I reframe and do. What if all the time, I really would love to be in support of people expanding into this belief that they can do anything Well,

Kara Goldin 32:22
thank you for doing everything you’re doing. I know it works. So Mona Patel, founder of reframe with Mona and also Gray Zones. So thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you.

Mona Patel 32:35
Thank you for having me. It was an honor.

Kara Goldin 32:37
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