Leah Garcia: Founder & CEO of NULASTIN

Episode 657

On this episode of The Kara Goldin Show, we’re joined by Leah Garcia, Founder and CEO of NULASTIN, a brand that is transforming the beauty industry with groundbreaking elastin regeneration technology. Leah’s journey is nothing short of inspiring—she went from being a professional rodeo and mountain bike champion to building a multi-million-dollar business in the beauty space. With 39 issued patents and a commitment to delivering real results, NULASTIN is setting a new standard in hair, lash, and brow care.
During our conversation, Leah shares the story behind NULASTIN—how she identified a gap in the market, bootstrapped her way to $17 million in sales before hiring her first employee, and built a loyal customer base. We dive into the challenges of scaling a business, the role of social media and influencer marketing in brand growth, and how her background as an elite athlete shaped her leadership approach. Leah also breaks down the science behind Elastaplex Technology and why elastin is the key to healthier, stronger hair.
Whether you’re a beauty industry insider, an aspiring entrepreneur, or someone who loves learning about innovation, this episode is packed with insights on resilience, brand-building, and disrupting an industry with science-backed solutions. Tune in to hear Leah’s incredible journey and what’s next for NULASTIN. Now on The Kara Goldin Show.

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Kara Goldin 0:00
I am unwilling to give up that I will start over from scratch as many times as it takes to get where I want to be. I want to be you. Just want to make sure you will get knocked down. But just make sure you don’t get knocked out, knocked out. So your only choice should be go focus on what you can control. Control. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. Join me each week for inspiring conversations with some of the world’s greatest leaders. We’ll talk with founders, entrepreneurs, CEOs and really, some of the most interesting people of our time. Can’t wait to get started. Let’s go. Let’s go. Hi everyone. It’s Kara Goldin from the Kara Goldin show, and welcome back. I have a superstar guest with us here today that I am so excited that she accepted our invite to come onto the show. We have Leah Garcia, who is the founder and CEO of an incredible product that I absolutely use and love called NULASTIN so for anyone who has lashes that they want to definitely see grow, but they also have so many other products that are out and coming out, including their scalp treatment, which is just amazing. NULASTIN is a rock star. I don’t even know if rock is like the right word, but an incredible, incredible product. So Leah’s journey is nothing short of incredible too. From being a professional rodeo and mountain bike champion, you got that right, to a highly successful entrepreneur in the beauty industry, NULASTIN is revolutionizing lashes, hair, brow industry just absolutely incredible. Lots of patents and 100% performance guarantee, absolutely incredible job. Leah, for sure. So welcome to the show. Can’t wait to dive in to hear a lot more about your journey.

Leah Garcia 2:01
Kara, I feel like we should just do a mic drop right now. That was such a nice introduction done. Thanks for joining us on the podcast, everyone, and we’ll see you next time. I love it,

Kara Goldin 2:11
I love it. So let’s start at the beginning. First of all, before we get into your background, can you share a bit about what is new last and how do you describe it to people? I

Leah Garcia 2:20
describe New Aston as a mission driven brand that is addressing hair loss and hair thinning for the individuals who are suffering from that, be it lashes, brows, hair and we do have a skin skin care line, but hair is skin, right? How it’s held on to that. So we really address the loss of elastin and how that impacts your hair journey. So

Kara Goldin 2:49
you didn’t start out in the beauty industry at all. Can you share a bit about your background and sort of what you were doing before deciding to start new lasting I

Leah Garcia 3:00
done a lot. I’m 60 years old, and I’ve lived about 10 lives, so I’ve surpassed the cat mentality. But I grew up on a ranch, so really old school cowboy stuff, like the series Yellowstone, just that was my upbringing. And then I rode my parents rode. I pretty much grew up like a little gypsy in the back of a camper trailer and was just free, free, free to run around, free to watch. But in that environment, I really learned a lot early on, just about people taking risks, right? My parents were were living for their passion, not for their for their profession. They loved what they did, and they would sacrifice absolutely everything for it. So that was my early, early indication that that’s how I wanted to be. Um, but just did all that stuff that young, young country kids do, played baseball and softball and kicking the ball around and falling off horses and building forts and just tomboy stuff. Then I went to high school, had a great career in high school, did a little bit of cheerleading, but just didn’t really see myself in that role too much. And by the time I got to college, I did get there on a rodeo scholarship, and that was still my life. So at this point, I’m, you know, 1819, years old, and all I still knew really was this rodeo lifestyle. But what, what I’d love for the viewers to hear on that is that, as in any competitive sport, when we back into the box, when you are at that start line, when you’re ready to nod your head go, or in the case of many athletes, it’s when the gun goes off right at the start line. When that happens, you’re betting against you, and you do it time and time and time again. It’s the competitive nature of putting yourself out there without worry about failure, because you’re gonna fail. You’re not gonna win every time. You’re gonna have a hiccup, you’ll have a bad day. Those things. Are going to happen. So my mentality coming into where I am in my life today is pretty fearless, and we use that in one of our BIOS, but it’s absolutely true. I’m not afraid to fail, because it’s going to happen in small increments. But more importantly, I’m going to keep nodding my head at that start line to keep driving forward. Because, you know, it just, it’s a matter of It’s a play, it’s time, but you will perfect your art. You will eventually perfect your art.

Kara Goldin 5:32
I love that. So you weren’t just in a couple of rodeos. You became a professional rodeo champion, and also then a mountain bike champion. I mean, you don’t play small at all. I mean, this is

Leah Garcia 5:50
what this is not what you do. But, you know, right now, I don’t have children. I think that I’ve got a hangover from years of having to take care of my horse and animals. You know, from a little age, you have to get up and feed in water and clean and and so you’re taught to basically be a caretaker from the minute you’re very, very small. And after college, I mean, come on, it was college. I wanted to go out and party and have fun, but no, I had to get up in the morning and drive to campus. I kept my horse on campus, by the way, so I drive and have to clean the stalls and do all that. By the time my eligibility finished with my rodeo career at college. Around that time, mountain biking was becoming very popular, and I started riding with this little dog pack posse that I called it a bunch of dudes, and we’d go out on these epic rides, and all of a sudden I was just hooked. It was something that was that same adrenaline rush, but this time, it wasn’t handed down to me through my parents and what they had done. It was something I’d found all by myself, and I just latched on. I was so empowered, literally empowered, that this is a sport I chose it didn’t choose me, and I found out that I was okay. I wasn’t great, great, but I was pretty good, and I had tenacity and and so that’s what carried me through. I ended up moving to Europe. Raced on the World Cup tour over there, again, tenacity, tenacity, but it was during the mountain biking section of my life where I really learned marketing, and that’s when I first started branding myself. Because here’s a question for you, Kara, you ever seen athletes at the Olympics or anywhere who don’t have a bit of a brand behind them? Right? The story that the commentators want to talk about, there’s got to be a hook to these athletes to really get them on camera. The more they’re on camera, the more they get sponsored, the more they get sponsored, the better success they have, because they’ve got better coaching, they’ve got better opportunities. So I’ve got this theory that the better you brand yourself as an athlete, the better you can become as an athlete. So that’s kind of where I, you know, cut my teeth in, in the marketing world, before I transitioned to a television career, which was another 20 years of my life.

Kara Goldin 8:11
That’s wild. And so then at what point did the idea for new lasting come in?

Leah Garcia 8:17
It was, it was a it was a journey, but the original introduction to this elastin space happened in 2012 when a colleague of mine from Boulder, Colorado had been working with a microbiologist, and he was in involved with the scientist, and they’ve been working On this new cosmetic product for elastin and having, having lived my rough and tumble life, having internalized a lot more stress inside than outside, I had also suffered some facial paralysis called Bell’s palsy, and that’s really what tipped my life, you know, from one direction to another. Because, just as a side note, if you’re born with a symmetrical smile and you’ve got this charisma, and you think, man, the world is my oyster. And then one day, can I cuss on this Sure, one day your bitch slapped literally, like, boom, you no longer have the face that you had a day before. You’re you’ve got this paralysis, your your your eyes are drooping. You’re, you can’t even suck out of a straw like and all of a sudden, you, you, you feel pity from people. And there’s experiences that are starting to happen. And all of that, all of that, made me realize, man, I better find something deeper and more meaningful in my life. But it was, it was a connection to that I started putting into not about it wasn’t about me anymore. It was about something else. So in last and when I was introduced to it, and I discovered it for me, it was about if this could help me, you know, recover in my. Face to get back that bounce, that snap, that elasticity, everything that I used to be, and it can help my confidence, then that’s going to work for other people, too. And I looked around the marketplace and no one, no industry, no brand, was really addressing this loss of elastin, specifically for hair loss. Yeah, a little bit you would see it in the space. But where I had an advantage at this point was that the microbiologist had worked for Amgen, and so we were using cutting edge technology, DNA sequence proteins before they were cool. Right now, you see all sorts of people talking about bio designed proteins and all of these bio designed ingredients. And I love them. They for all the reasons that we do, but I was playing with those way before many of the brands were and so that was my differentiator. That’s why I love the idea of bringing the last into market.

Kara Goldin 10:57
So What year was this when I first

Leah Garcia 11:01
got introduced to the elastin space. It was 2012 and then I used the face product for about a decade. And then when the microbiologist created a lash serum, he sent me a prototype. This was in 2014 and I said, Tell me more. Put it on. And here was the moment, the aha moment, right? I was in the kitchen. My husband looks over at me, and he goes, Did you get new lash extensions? And I said, No, these are my real lashes. And I literally called the microbiologist. I go, I’m taking this product to market. How much formula you know? How do we start this? I didn’t know how to start a business. I’d been involved in television infomercials. I knew enough about direct response, but by gun free Kara, I had never launched a business. I didn’t even know how to put together a pitch deck. I didn’t know how to find money. I didn’t know how to do any of that. I was so excited the day I got my business license that I skipped all the way home from the courthouse. So these are all little learning experiences that I had, and I just cherished, cherish that memory, because I didn’t know what I didn’t know, so it didn’t slow me down. And I just again, I wasn’t afraid to just do it

Kara Goldin 12:20
that’s incredible. And, I mean, not to be focused in too much on when you started using elastin, the balls palsy, yeah, yeah. I mean, you cannot tell at all. I mean, it’s, it’s amazing how much it like created, you know, thank you. The change amazing.

Leah Garcia 12:44
It’s there moratorium. I’m looking in the mirror on Sundays because I’m really tired on Sundays by the end of the week, it’s just not pretty. So I won’t let myself, you know, look in a rear view mirror, because I’ll just start picking myself apart. So there’s a few self rules that I have to keep myself sane. And of course, I can, I can point out flaws all day long. But one of the things I did learn from being a sideline reporter in television is when the lights go on, it’s not about me, not about me at all. So I lose myself, and then I 100% focus on who I’m talking to.

Kara Goldin 13:19
Yeah. So so critical, so NULASTIN you launched the actual product. I would guess that it’s slightly different than what it was when you first launched, but what was kind of the prototype that you got out there to see whether or not this would actually be sellable.

Leah Garcia 13:39
It was. It was not radically different, but I but it wasn’t as clean as it is now in terms of the ingredient list, just because I had a single source manufacturing facility and someone who originally owned the IP on the formulas. So what I then did for the next couple years after I’d launched the brand, was just work on getting all of my own formulas manufactured with my own IP and it was just, it was checklist. I just had a checklist what I needed to do to get to where I am today, to make sure that I am just protected from competitors and from any outside entities. So we are. We are a company that owns 38 US and international patents. We have all of our own formulas. We really built the brand on three SKUs with a skincare collection as an upsell, mainly because I just love the skin care, yeah, but the hair care is really our claim to fame. That’s those are our hero products. So lash, brow and scalp condition, the scalp treatment, it’s a vibrant scalp treatment, and this year, we will be launching for the first time ever. After nine years of being in business, I am finally going to introduce some new products.

Kara Goldin 15:07
That’s, that’s incredible. And I read that you achieved 17 million in sales before you hired your first employee. Is that, is that correct?

Leah Garcia 15:17
It’s, it’s close 17 and a half.

Kara Goldin 15:19
It’s amazing. So I did have an

Leah Garcia 15:23
entity that I was using for a vendor for my marketing, finally, and then they did, towards the end, start helping me in 2020, into 2019 beginning of 2020, with some of the customer service. Because I was, I was frenetic at that point, doing absolutely everything from bookkeeping to accounting to order placement, all of the supply chain, all of the manufacturing contracts, all everything that you can imagine. And then even I didn’t know that you could use online platforms to help facilitate a lot of things. So even when it came to my customer service, I was answering emails repeatedly, one offs, and I would keep on my either my phone or my desktop. I would keep a notes with all my answers so that I could quickly, like, try to copy and paste them and but then I would personalize absolutely everything. And we kind of still do that. We’re we’re a wee bit more automated, but I’ve made sure that that carried over to today, because I want my customers to understand that we are real people. We’ve got four pillars, real science, real people, real results and real responsibility. And when we say real people, I have a small team of six customer service people working and they are they they customize, they talk to the customers. We answer calls in less than two minutes, and we respond so quickly. We are one of the most successful customer service companies that the platform that we use has ever seen. They use us as a benchmark for how well we take care of our customers.

Kara Goldin 17:07
I love that once you got that first employee right, you’re past the 17 and a half million mark. At that point, you get the first employees. What was your first hire?

Leah Garcia 17:17
I had a recommendation. So right around that time, the Denver angels came up to me and said, Hey, Leah, we love to invest in your company. And I go, I don’t need any money. I’m fine. Thank you. And then they said, no, no, we really we think that you, we can support you. And we did a little round, so I ended up getting a little over a million dollars in angel funding. And put that in the bank account because I was scared to use it, and I also wanted to just keep building organically. And then my first hire was a recommendation from one of the lead investors, and it was a lady who did have a little bit of legal background, not a little That’s rude. She had legal background as well as hired her really didn’t even know how to give out titles at the at the time. So think I gave her a title of coo. I mean, I didn’t even care what the title was. I was just Sure, come on, help me. And then we started building the team, hiring another person really dependent on just blind leading the blind. I’m not going to say she didn’t have she had some founder startup experience, but, but what we were trying to accomplish still was not there was no playbook, really for it. So I joined the CEO academy that helped me really streamline a lot of what I needed to do, and put a lot of faith in the process of getting quadrants of my business filled right so whether it was the marketing side, whether it was the operational side, the sales part, the leadership trying to just look at where we needed to be, but it’s not my forte Kara gonna say this right now, I have not been the most stellar boss when it comes to building the team until the last two years. That’s when I finally found my stride and hired people who could hire people.

Kara Goldin 19:20
Yeah, yeah. How many people do you have now in the company,

Leah Garcia 19:23
we have 17 employees, team members, myself included. And

Kara Goldin 19:27
that’s pretty small still. I mean, that’s not it’s lean, right? I mean, that’s good,

Leah Garcia 19:36
huge, but it is a small team. We are scrappy. We’ve always said that we’re really scrappy. We do use outside vendors. So we have fractional individuals who help us out in certain areas. But the team I have right now, they are as my chief of Chief Science, whoever the chief is, Brett Gallagher, COO he will say, chefs, kiss. Chefs kiss. That’s what we have right now with our entire team. They are dynamic. They’re hard working, they’re independent, they’re driven, they’re success oriented, they’re passionate about our mission, what we’re doing, how we’re making a difference in people’s lives, about the technology that they’re representing. And it is just a joy to come to work and to be around this group of individuals,

Kara Goldin 20:23
I love it. So what has been the most effective strategy for really selling the product and and I guess, kind of building that loyalty with your consumers? I think, first of all, it has to work, right? If it doesn’t work, that’s not such a great thing, and it’s a fast way to go out of business. I always tell people, I think people are if you have great marketing, you can get people to try it, but if it’s not a great product, they’re not coming back. So which obviously is not the case for people who are consumers of NULASTIN but I’d love to hear what you would say to that,

Leah Garcia 21:00
I would say that, yes, you’re absolutely right. You need a product that delivers on the promise, no matter what that marketing says, if it doesn’t deliver, you’re not going to keep the customer and keep them happy. So that’s been the foundation of everything that I started with, was a product that works.

Kara Goldin 21:17
And in terms of the sales strategy, initially, were you selling direct to consumer? Were you looking at getting into retail, what’s sort of been your overall view of actually getting to consumers? Yes,

Leah Garcia 21:33
I’m nodding my head. We were only a direct to consumer business, and we are still primarily only a direct to consumer business. I have a few boutique spas that use my that carry my product. I’ve got a couple of online partners that we have. E cosmetics free people. They are they are few and far between. We are not in retail yet, but it has been on my radar for quite some time. I also needed to make sure that I, I took care of my direct to consumer market, and made sure I really, if I, if I will say, own that space, but own it, not in that I’m one of the largest competitors in that space, but that I, in my opinion, am one of the best, the way I do treat my customers are returning revenue is quite good. That’s with subscription. But in addition to one time purchases, because I think humans are smart enough to know if a product works, if they don’t subscribe, they can reorder it. And if you’re like me, I don’t this is so bad to say I don’t mind paying extra and not getting free shipping, if it just means that I keep control of when I want to order something. The flip side is when I do want to subscribe to something, I want it to be easy. I want it to be something that I can get in, get out, change, adjust, do what I need to do. So it took me a while to get with the subscription platform that I truly loved, that would take care of my customers the way I wanted them to be taken care of, right? No secret sign on this line, and you’ll never be able to find how to cancel, for example, or pause, or whatever you may want to do. I wanted ultimate flexibility for the customers, and I wanted the customers to understand that we are in this with them, that we’re not asking them to give us their credit card, and then we’re going to forget about them. So the path to get to where we are direct to consumer, strong subscription, returning revenue, loving on our customers, making sure that, and a couple things you mentioned the beginning, which was my 100% performance guarantee for life. So I truly wanted to have a product that was like Swiss Army bags. If the zipper ever breaks, you’re going to get a new bag. If our product doesn’t work for you, I’m going to take care of you until that product gets you the results that you’re craving. Because Why do you think people buy anything that’s going to improve their look, their hair, their these intimate areas of their life? If if they’re believing in me, to trust that they can purchase my product. I need them to know that I hear them, I see them, and I want them to succeed. And that’s the wouldn’t it be beautiful if we all were able to use a product that really worked? Yeah? Delivered on the promise. Yeah,

Kara Goldin 24:38
it’s so, it’s so, so true. So the beauty industry is constantly evolving, and what what has been, I guess the biggest shift that you’ve seen in this space, obviously, competition is always cropping up. I mean, I certainly saw that. Firsthand in our category, over 2000 beverages out there. And you know, there’s not a whole lot you can do about somebody launching a product. Obviously, if they’re going to launch it and start comparing it to your product, you can probably do something about that. But talk to me about the beauty industry, and how you view it today and how that’s changed.

Leah Garcia 25:25
The barrier to entry is so easy now for people, it’s just anybody can hire a contract manufacturer that can create a product brand, Kara, you could have your own skin care or hair care line in one month by signing on the dotted line and getting a finished formula to your door, and then all you need to do is start marketing it. So in the past, back in the day, when I was just getting started and I was an on air talent for infomercials, you could either have a celebrity, and there were a celebrities, B celebrities and C celebrities, or you’d have a charismatic personality. And at the time, a charismatic personality could outperform a celebrity, especially if the celebrity didn’t resonate with the product, and you could tell it was just a hire. But now you’ve got celebrities who are launching weekly these products. So there’s no way that new Austin is going to get a celebrity to endorse the brand. I think the big change in the market is you’re going to see a lot more celebrity endorsements that’s already happening. You’re just going to see a lot more of people trying to differentiate, differentiate themselves through marketing. And there are great marketing people out there. So honestly, I get out marketed all the time because we’re kind of science based, and we we haven’t really focused on all that slick marketing, which I probably could incorporate a little bit, if I were honest, and make some moves, then the thing that you will see in the future, though, and this is what I’ve been hearing, are, you know, strategics looking for science. They’re all craving science backed product, and they’re craving science, especially in the hair care space. And it’s evolving quickly, and it’s pretty exciting. Pretty exciting. There’s some exciting stuff going on.

Kara Goldin 27:24
What do you wish people knew about the lash industry that that maybe you know, but, but not a lot of consumers know. I think it’s always challenging, because you don’t want to bash other brands, right? And and be the the negative marketer that probably is not the best way to get sticky or have people come to you. But are there things out there that are just frustrating to you? I mean, you mentioned just launching a brand is pretty darn easy today, or, you know, it’s easy to create things and get them out there on the market and make all these claims, but what have you seen specifically in the last space that maybe some consumers don’t know,

Leah Garcia 28:12
finished formula clinical studies. Finished formula. Quantitative clinical studies. Here’s the difference. A qualitative study is a perception study. Kara, you’ve used my product for eight weeks, 12 weeks. How do you feel? Do you feel that it’s getting better? Have you noticed your lashes getting longer? Have you seen these changes? Yes, yes, yes. That’s a qualitative study. We all need those. Everyone loves those. That’s a little bit of word of mouth, right? So you need that. But what I always advocate for as a science backed brand is a quantitative study, which is measure it, measuring tools to measure, so that you’ve got a third party, independent reviewer, measuring things like eyelash length, eyelash thickness, brow thickness, brow length, the things that you want to know that are measurable, not how we feel, not what we think, but what is science driven data So and and mind you, doing that on a finished formula versus one ingredient. So what I have seen is that a lot of the brands will use one ingredient that happens to have clinical data. And that’s awesome, right? They’re out there. They’ll take that clinical data and they’re extrapolating it into their own data, into their own finished results. Now, number one, we don’t know how much of that ingredient they’re putting in their formula. Are they fairy dusting it? Are they using the efficacious amount? What is it that they’re doing? So until you’ve got finished formula clinical trials, to me, you really. Are. You’re you’re just qualitative, you’re just marketing, you’re marketing your product, and you’re probably doing it well and good on you. But if customers want to know that they are getting what, what they are ordering new lasting is their source. So

Kara Goldin 30:19
looking back on on the journey, what advice would you give to yourself when you were first starting out, or maybe any new entrepreneur that is just starting out in in an industry that you know really they see the puzzle in front of them. They they believe that they can solve it, but they’re also a little nervous about moving forward, because maybe, like you mentioned, you don’t have the experience, you don’t necessarily have the capital, and you’re you’re alone, right? I mean, that’s that is a common thread amongst many, many founders, and yet a very small percentage of them, an even smaller percentage of female founders, just take that risk and just go do it. But what advice would you give to others who are maybe in those shoes? Since you’ve you’ve had this journey yourself,

Leah Garcia 31:19
you actually already pinned it. I would have thought a community and a tribe of other female founders if I were a female founder, from the very, very beginning, I didn’t know how much I needed the support of smart, smarter than me, by the way, women who are really invested in my success. And in the beginning, I was going at it alone. And I just, I just kept, I’m an ex pro mountain bike racer. I just kept climbing the hill, climbing the hill, climbing the hill. When I get to the top of the hill, I’d race down the backside because I didn’t want to slow down. And I had a hard time asking for help. I didn’t know how to ask for help. I didn’t know how to pause long enough to say, how can someone else support me right now? And and it Kara for those who are listening, you and I met through the Ernst and Young, entrepreneurial, winning women group, and that is a perfect example of a community that is 100% selflessly supporting one another. Since then, I’ve had the opportunity to advance that type of community. And Allison Maslin, who was at the event, who runs Pinnacle global network and a scale it method, I literally just joined that after all these years of being in business, because I know there’s still more for me to learn, and there’s more support that I need. And I’ll tell you, as somebody who has been a solopreneur and someone who’s been an athlete in individual sports for the most part, that’s a big step for me to say I’m jumping into this mentorship. I need to be mentored. I need more help. Still, I need to be a better leader, better visionary to if that’s what I’m doing with my formulas, that’s what we’re doing at New Austin, then I too, need to continue growing personally and professionally.

Kara Goldin 33:18
I love that, and I Allison is a friend of mine. I adore her, so please tell her Hello as well. She’s terrific. So Leah, thank you so much for joining us. You are so inspiring and have created an unbelievable product and company. So so so excited for you, and you should be so proud of yourself. We’ll have all the info in the show notes too. And thank you for putting the plug out there for both Pinnacle as well as the EY winning women. You are just awesome. And I cannot wait for to see what’s gonna what will happen with NULASTIN and all your incredible products that you’re coming out with too. So thank you again. Thank

Leah Garcia 34:03
you, blue skies ahead for all of us, Kara, thank you Absolutely.

Kara Goldin 34:07
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