David Wolfe & Jamie Diamonstein: Co-Founders of Tiami

Episode 706

On this episode of The Kara Goldin Show, we’re joined by David Wolfe and Jamie Diamonstein, the powerhouse duo behind Tiami Sleep—a new luxury mattress brand redefining what great sleep really feels like. With over 60 years of combined experience, including co-founding Leesa Sleep and helping pioneer the direct-to-consumer model in the sleep category, these two know a thing or two about building brands that resonate.
David and Jamie share the story behind Tiami’s launch—including their bold decision to offer just one perfected mattress, and why simplicity, performance, and design are at the heart of everything they do. With a strategic partnership with Design Within Reach, Tiami is already making waves in the luxury space. We talk about what it means to evolve (not just disrupt), how they cracked the code on making a mattress that works for every sleeper, and the big lessons they’ve learned from building brands with staying power. They also dive into their mission to support sleep equity and mental health, how they’re approaching growth differently this time, and what “luxury” really means in a world full of noise.
If you’re building a brand, care about sleep, or just want to hear from two founders who’ve done the work—this one’s for you. Now live on The Kara Goldin Show.

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Kara Goldin 0:00
I am unwilling to give up that I will start over from scratch as many times as it takes to get where I want to be. I want to be you. Just want to make sure you will get knocked down. But just make sure you don’t get knocked out, knocked out. So your only choice should be go focus on what you can control. Control. Control. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. Join me each week for inspiring conversations with some of the world’s greatest leaders. We’ll talk with founders, entrepreneurs, CEOs and really, some of the most interesting people of our time. Can’t wait to get started. Let’s go. Let’s go. Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Kara Goldin show. Super excited to have our next guests here, two guests who are two sleep industry legends, literally, I’m joined by Jamie Diamonstein and David Wolf, who are the co founders of an incredible brand new luxury mattress brand called Tiami. But the company is called Tiami sleep, so we’ll go back and forth between the two of them, but let’s just call it Tiami for now. But these two are no strangers to shaking up the way we rest. They co founded Lisa sleep, scaling it to over 100 million in just a few years, while donating 10s of 1000s of mattresses along the way as well, and after stepping away from the space, they’re back refreshed, recharged, and living close to one another, love it and Ready to redefine what true luxury sleep looks like with decades of experience between them, they’ve created one mattress that is perfect Tiami That is a hybrid design engineer to work for every sleeper every night. And I got to try one myself, and it is so, so, so wonderful. Theo, my husband, is also a huge, huge fan. So with Design Within Reach as their first partner to launch it, you know they’re playing at the top. So I can’t wait to dig in to really hear what it takes to actually create a luxury brand, as they are doing, also what it takes to really take on an industry and also just change an industry for the better with a purpose as they’ve done, giving back in so many ways. So cannot wait to get into this conversation. So Jamie and David, welcome to the show. How are you? Thanks

David Wolfe 2:49
for having us. Could you be our spokesperson? Yes,

Kara Goldin 2:52
absolutely. I love it. I love it. Well, you guys have done such a nice job, and I’m so excited to have you here. So let’s start with the very simple so what is Tiami, and how is it different from everything else out there?

David Wolfe 3:09
I’ll answer, what is it? And I’ll let Jamie talk a little bit about how it’s different. Tiami is the answer to a question that we got asked many times as we left Lisa and came out, which is which mattress should I buy? And getting asked this question many, many times when we were at Lisa, we would always recommend one of the mattresses we made. And we realized that many of the people who were asking us the question now were looking for an upgrade, because they were people who’d bought from us a decade ago, five years ago, and we really didn’t know where to turn you couldn’t really believe the review sites, because most of them are pay to play review sites, and so they’re just not trustworthy. So that was one of the first impetus impetuses. And then as we started to think more and more about it, it was, what are the problems that need to be solved? And you know, we can get into that in a moment, but it’s things like sleeping hot, things like wanting the mattress to adjust the fact that choice is paralyzing. There’s so much choice out there. Could we come out with one mattress that would adapt to the body? So we set out as a challenge to create a mattress that would allow people to what we say sleep differently. And so it’s a luxury mattress aimed at disrupting or challenging, at least the very high end of the market, 5000 $10,000 and more, and challenging. It was something which is using modern materials that makes it a lot better. And I might have answered the part that Jamie was, but he does that. That’s okay. Sorry, that’s a bit my way. No, no problem. So, yeah, I

Jamie Diamonstein 4:42
would say Kara in for this for from my perspective, I’m very transparent. When I’m doing design work. I take it very seriously. I’ve got 40 plus years of experience in the mattress space, and it was like having a blank canvas, you know? Of starting all anew with no components, just really wanting to design the best luxury mattress that you could and so it just gave us a fresh start. So I was able to scan the market, look for all the latest technology and new components, and cut out all the fluff, all of the things that people say about mattresses to try and get your interests, but really be transparent in what we deliver to the customer and address those issues that David was talking about.

Kara Goldin 5:31
So I’ve heard you say that Tiami isn’t just about disrupting an industry, even though you guys have disrupted, I guess, an industry before in building, not just Lisa, but some of your other ventures. Can you talk about what the refining really means in this industry? Because you’re right, when people are going shopping for a new mattress, you and I were talking about trying to figure out, like, how long is that is the right amount of time before you need a new mattress? Do you want a mattress that gets shipped to you in a box that’s folded up, or, does that matter? Does it? Do you need the perfect box spring? I mean, what do you look for when you’re actually trying to trying to figure out what’s best for you.

Jamie Diamonstein 6:25
So that was you that was packed with a lot of things. So first, because I really do want to address this, one of the things that people always ask is, how long is a mattress going to last? And a lot of people look at warranties, is like, Oh, this got a lifetime warranty. So, you know, I always say, does it travel with you in your next life? You know, the bottom line is, some warranties. You build a quality product, and we build a very quality product using high end materials. And you know, you want a bed to last for at least 10 years, if not more. I always tell people that, you know, they they buy a bed, and they they look at the warranty, and even if they’re uncomfortable on that bed, they’re going to sleep on that bed to get that useful life out of it. And what I say to people is, as we all age, our bodies change. We get aches and pains. Even if it’s two years after you’ve bought a mattress, don’t suffer through what you’re on. It doesn’t mean that the mattress was bad. It just means that your body has changed, and you need something different to support that body,

David Wolfe 7:29
just to address the disruption or refinement. I think, you know, disruption we needed to do a decade ago because, you know, I was we’re inspired by different things, you know, this time we feel like inspired by our experiences of, you know, warm nights on the Mediterranean and the calming waves. And how can you recreate that in a product? How can you take a feeling and build a physical product out of a feeling? So that was the inspiration this time in terms of refinement, in terms of disruption, you know, I took my daughter to buy a mattress at sleepies, as it was back then in New York City. And it was a horrible experience. You know, she had to lay down on a bed in front of a man that was kind of peering down on her as a young woman. And, you know, it was just a terrible experience. And it just so happened that at that point in time, the idea of compressing a mattress and putting it in a box and shipping it, that it was much easier to buy and try at home for 100 Nights and return it if you didn’t like it. So the disruption back then was very much in the delivery phase, and then it took off. And so now shipping in a box is acceptable. And by the way, it took Jamie two years to work out how to ship a high quality spring system in a box, and they did it by the gage, the circles being slightly different, so they would come together effectively. And shipping a mattress in a box doesn’t make it inexpensive. It’s just a convenient way to ship it. In fact, if anything, it’s like pre, what Jamie always says it’s like pre washing jeans like because you’ve broken it in a little bit. When it arrives, no one should think of it being shipped in a box as being in any way relating to quality, awesome. Yeah, it’s a part of the Jamie sees it as a positive shipping it in a box. So so so refinement is about the things that bother you in an expensive mattress. So the high end of the market has never been really challenged, but the natural, all the natural fibers that are used to make the very high end mattresses create body impressions. And, you know, within a very short period, often of buying a very expensive mattress, as I did. You know, once in before I was in the industry, you’re, you’re, you’re sleeping in a sort of divot in the bed, and your partner’s sleeping in another one, and it’s like you’re on different continents, but you still disturb each other and and so, you know, we wanted to fix all of those problems at the high end, and Jamie felt that he could do it to. Through high performance materials and new technology. Instead of, you know, going out and looking for the most expensive fillers and so on and so forth. In fact, we thought very hard about where we wanted to be, and then we built the mattress that we wanted, that we felt was right to address all of these issues, cooling, natural cooling so you’re sleeping on a natural cotton surface. People want to be kind to their bodies. All of these different things are the refinements that we introduced. And only when Jamie built the vet did we say, Okay, how much is this going to cost, and how much do we need to charge for it to build a company? Because there’s a very big difference between having an idea and even launching a product and building a company. As you know, you know, growth for growth sake is not a good thing ever. Certainly not a good thing anymore. And so how do we do it profitably? That addressed the price point that we were going to be at. And so, I mean, I feel like I’ve over answered the question of refinement, but

Jamie Diamonstein 10:56
I do have one thing to say about disruption, because I do think there’s a disruption again in the space David mentioned it earlier. We’ve always gone with this phrase. Choice is paralyzing. And I think if you look out there on the sea of online companies and in the stores that you go to, there’s a plush a firm, a medium firm, a bed for heavy duty for for larger people, it’s confusing. And so I think we see this as an opportunity to address the market, to take away some of that confusion that people have, whether it’s online or at retail, and get back to what we believe is truly a remarkable mattress in Tiami that adjusts to every body, size, shape, sleeping position and making that choice very simple,

Kara Goldin 11:46
definitely. So this is your second company together, correct, correct, yes. So you both sold Lisa, and what did you learn from having done a different type of Mattress Company, but still in this industry, what did you learn from that, that you’ve taken to beyond the product, I guess, to actually working together and being able to maybe make things better from a from the go to market strategy. What is it that you’ve actually changed knowing what you know now,

David Wolfe 12:27
you know, I think that every experience changes you a little bit. I’ve been starting businesses since my 20s. I’ve I’ve actually started a business in my 20s, my 30s, my 40s, my 50s, and now in my 60s and so and and I think that probably you take away lessons from every experience, so maybe it’s easier to talk about what we’re doing and how it might relate to that. So one is we’re self funded, which is an interesting lesson about taking in outside capital, maybe a valuation that was was high, it puts different pressures on the business when you raise money at a high, high valuation, because then you need to grow for the sake of growth, instead of, maybe, you know, focusing on profitability, which everybody wants both. But it’s very difficult when growth is so important to valuation. So one is that we’re self funded. Secondly, we’re not in a hurry. It was rush, rush, rush. At least we had our first million dollar month in our third month, and we did $27 million in our first year, and then that put pressure on. Our second year was $78 million and our third year was over $125 million this time around, we’re taking our time, and I think one of the things that that does, it allows you to focus on the cost of acquiring customers and and so there’s lots of business things that we’ve learned, but I think that the reason we’re at it again is that we just had an awful lot of fun together building Lisa And and and we, we’re at it again because we want to, we want to get back to those fun times of really just enjoying it. And, you know, I’ve had many partners over the years, and my partnership with Jamie was, was, you know, I’m not saying anything against my prior partners, because I’ve always had fun, and I’ve always managed to hire 20 somethings to do to bring newness to everything we do. And every, every decade I’ve got older, but it seems that the the teams that stay the same age and and so, yeah, so there’s just so many lessons, and I’m sure you’ll ask us about some of the reasons why we enjoy working together. But someone told me once that second time around in the same industry, founders do extremely well, and I’m just, you know, I’m buoyed by that kind of knowledge and that truism. And so we’ll, we’ll get it right, and we’re taking our time, and we’re working with the best people that we know. And. And we’re embracing AI, which everyone we’re doing. We’re doing the 2025 version of what we did in 2015

Jamie Diamonstein 15:07
and Kara, I would say to you too, on the lessons learned on my side, because I came from a different background than David. I grew up in a family business, mattress business, but I learned a lot at Lisa in my time there. And when I look back, not only have I learned how to work with David, I think after we finished Lisa, we both talk about the things we did right, the things we may not have done, so right, and what we can do to make our relationship better. And so I think, because I, you know, I think I really learned a lot from that, and I cherish and value the relationship we had, and also for personal growth. Being in a family business is a whole different dynamic than being in a startup in that culture, with all these young people, and especially with somebody like David with the skills that he has. So I learned quite a bit during my tenure at Lisa.

Kara Goldin 15:56
So how did you two get into this industry? I think you touched on it a bit, Jamie, but I’d love to hear how both of you came together, and how did you pick the mattress industry overall?

Jamie Diamonstein 16:10
Well, I think that so obviously, I was in the mattress industry, and from my perspective, I saw a lot of change in the industry at that time. So

Kara Goldin 16:18
your family was, is that my family, right? Okay, and

Jamie Diamonstein 16:22
then, and so I was we, I was looking at a world where retailers were consolidating, manufacturers are consolidating, and there needed to be a different way to get out to consumers being in a business and selling direct when you’re a tertiary brand, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. And I really didn’t know how to do it. And so I had had some experience with David, helping him with one of his other businesses sort of related. And then David, why don’t you pick up

David Wolfe 16:53
that? Yeah. So, I mean, for me, it was looking for opportunity, and a decade before, I had done memory foam mattress pads compressed, well, not even compressed, sort of squashed together and shipped in in boxes in a different business I had that was more of a media company, and I met Jamie. You know, I knew Jamie, and right when my team was considering what next? We were an Innovation Studio. We were looking at a number of different businesses, but we were looking at mattresses specifically, because I’d always wanted to get there. And I needed a I needed a supplier. I bumped into Jamie in a restaurant randomly and and said, You know, I’ve got something that I’d love to talk to you about and and that that’s how, that’s how it all began, initially, looking at, potentially, whether Jamie’s family business could make the mattress. And ultimately, Jamie made the decision to leave the family business and join me. It was a, it was a different kind of mattress, different kind of process. And we went, we went elsewhere with it. So

Kara Goldin 18:02
I love it. So let’s get back to Tiami. So the mattress is, I’ve heard you say it’s like a tech system hidden inside a cloud. How did you choose to use what you did and really what to leave out?

Jamie Diamonstein 18:19
So the first thing I explored, like the foundation, just like the foundation of home, is the spring system. And so given the years being in the industry, I went out to look at, see, is there new technology? Because the mattress industry is relatively slow on introducing new technology. They may change a few things, but when I went out to look, I found this amazing spring system that had combined springs with Energex, which is a really high resilient foam, and they created this amazing pocketed spring system that felt and accomplished so many things that we were trying to accomplish in this mattress, high air flow, which helps with a much cooler sleeping surface. It reduces motion transfer. It’s just an amazing it had enhanced edge support. So I found a spring system that was incredible. And then I’ve always believed a lot of the industry puts memory foam as a top layer. I’ve always used it as a second layer, and I put a high performance layer on top called Energex, and then we used an organic cotton surface cover to make the bed. So we used a lot of the latest technology, and always very high quality products. And the one thing that David and I truly believe in is I said it earlier, we’re very transparent in what we show. So Energex is produced by a company called leggett and plat. We call it Energex. Many will change the names of those foams so that they appear to have a proprietary foam on their product. So the things that I left out are the bells and whistles that people. May put on or, you know, materials that they put into the foam that don’t really serve a purpose. They sound like they serve a purpose, but they don’t. And to David’s discussion earlier about body impressions, I’m not a believer in quilting the mattress. The the most problem, problematic area in a mattress is that quilted surface, because it’s bound to compress. And so, you know, everybody on a king or a queen says they’ve got these indentations in the bed, so we’ve left quilting out. And you know, simplicity is luxury. That’s really what we believe. And we don’t have to shout with all these bells and whistles on there and so buttons on it and fancy stuff. We just want to give you a good night’s sleep and a really high quality mattress. And that’s really what I’ve created.

Kara Goldin 20:52
That’s true. It’s really, really great. So you partnered with Design Within Reach, right out of the gate, says a lot. How did that come about, and what do you feel that signals about where Tiami fits?

David Wolfe 21:07
Well, I think there’s, there’s a kind of multiple again, every question has multiple facets, but we knew that, that we knew the impact that partnering with a retailer could have on our brand, in terms of the validation of the brand. We did it at Lisa, which is an interesting story of itself, and Lisa continues to have a great relationship with West Elm. By the way, we’re incredibly proud of the brand we created at Lisa, and it’s doing amazingly well. So we wouldn’t, we would never knock the company or the product, because we love, we love we love what we created, and we’re proud of it, and particularly proud of the impact that we had. So that relationship continues. And I always, I mean, I was saying Design Within Reach to Jamie as soon as we started talking about higher mattress. And it just so happened that the very individual who was responsible for the mattress category at West Elm is now at Design Within Reach, in a very senior role, and we started a conversation about their mattress needs. They do not have a hybrid mattress. Currently they didn’t have their mattresses are foam mattresses, and so they’re missing the fastest growing and really the luxury end of the mattress with putting coils and foam together in a in a very high end mattress. And the reason why it’s a multifaceted answer is that when we first what, we have a third partner who comes from a design background, is a world class designer, and and then we have a team that includes a creative director and a head of marketing. And so when we when we first started, we built our brand with brand builders, and the brand color was gold, and it was fairly bold on the front, and when we showed it to Design Within Reach. It was literally too bold and too gold, and so we went back to the drawing board. We went black, we went smaller, we went more discreet. We went as Jamie said, I think the hardest thing to create is the simplicity in luxury. Most, most luxury products do have a simplicity to them. And we so we redesigned so that the mattress would look great as part of the Design Within Reach collection. So it’s more than just a partnership, and we’ve actually, although we’ve been live on our website for a couple of months, we’ve been waiting to start communicating, because we just think that the partnership with Design Within Reach is such a huge part of the validation of our brand that we just couldn’t be more excited. And right now, we’re spending time reaching out to the stores that we’re going to be in, setting up days when we’re going to go in and do mattress days for their customers, and we’ve already done a big training session for them. And so our goal is to make Design Within Reach incredibly successful at selling T army mattresses, and if we do that, we know that we’ll build a huge brand out of it. And so we they win, we win, and then ultimately, obviously, the customer wins, because hopefully, we believe, and we’re getting the feedback that people love it, and it’s making a huge difference in people’s lives.

Jamie Diamonstein 24:19
Kara, from my perspective, my my perspective on Design Within Reach, personally, their design ethic and just the way they are is very detail oriented, beautiful furniture. Every detail is important, and that’s how I feel about my mattresses. So that’s a great fit.

Kara Goldin 24:41
No, definitely so sleep, equity and mental health are I’ve heard big pillars within your brand, and I guess for you two personally, how have you approached that from a purpose and impact I know you, you. Gave a lot of mattresses when you were at Lisa before. But how have you, I guess, woven those aspects into your brand?

David Wolfe 25:10
Yeah, so, you know, I had a went through a long period in my life where, whenever I had anybody, I would ask them, What was the first time you saw social injustice in your life. How did it make you feel, and what did you do about it? And then I would ask them, Who inspires them? Because I only wanted to hire people who shared, you know, my value my value set. And when Jamie and I started doing business for the first time, I said to him, he goes, What’s that? I think it was $13 What’s that budget line item every time we sell a mattress? And I said, all that so that we can give back, you know, that’s so that we can have an impact. And and he goes, what are we going to do? I said, Well, I know how much. I asked him, how much a match would cost to put a twin XL or a twin into a shelter. And so by capturing $130 from 10 mattresses, we would have enough not just to put it in, but to go and volunteer there and to and that they would tell our story. But we didn’t tell that story at the beginning because we hadn’t done anything we didn’t know if we were going to be successful. So all I can tell you right now is what our intent is, and why we’ve why we’ve shifted. First of all, Lisa continues to donate mattresses now, well over 40,000 mattresses across America. Every major city in the US, in San Francisco, 16, I think, called 16th Street shelter and Larkin Street Youth, we replaced all their mattresses, but every major city we were connected to through the shelters, and it changed my life, and much more so than I ever imagined. And and this time around, because we’re we’ve both got children that are having children, and we’ve seen the importance of sleep on young women and their children and two of our we both have daughters who are child therapists. We see very, very closely the relationship between sleep and mental health, particularly amongst young women and families and children. So our goal is to again, set aside money from every mattress that we sell, perhaps a little more this time, because we’ll probably sell fewer mattresses. They’re much more expensive, but certainly set aside money. And then we’re going to work to find the right partners to work with where we can donate mattresses or give money. But we don’t talk about what we’re going to do, we ask that. We ask the people if they feel like talking about our brand once we’ve done something, to talk about it and the impact it’s had on them. So we have nothing really to talk about, yet other than a desire that goes right back to my childhood and a passion of mine to make sure that when we go to work every day. We’re not going to measure our success, just by the numbers, but equally by our impact that we have on other people and on the world. That’s our mission. That’s part of our value set. And when we’ve done it, we’ll start talking about it. But until then, when we haven’t done anything yet, we just, we just that’s, that’s who we are, how we work, and we are setting a budget aside, and hopefully, if we have this conversation a year from now, two years from now, we’ll be able to articulate it more clearly. But we know where we’re heading. We know the people we’re talking to. We know where we’re going to have an impact. I love that.

Kara Goldin 28:33
So launching anything new is super hard, getting the brand name out there. What was the hardest part so far about getting Tiami off the ground?

David Wolfe 28:47
Yeah, I mean, that’s my area. Really. I’ve got Jamie’s real hanging on me. So we’re not there yet. You know? I mean, where, as I said, we’re very focused on we believe, if we get things right with Design Within Reach, and they sell a lot of mattresses that will give us the platform. But as you know, because I, you know, I know your background, there’s something quite unbelievable about sitting down around the table, this very table we’re at now in my home, and thinking about, let’s, let’s build a mattress company. And a year later, people are sleeping on them. And in the case of you know, our story so far, hundreds of 1000s of people sleep on mattresses that that we built. So there’s something extraordinary about bringing a new idea to life in a product that that we’re driven by, how we reach people and how we get the brand out there is, first and foremost, giving an incredible experience this time around, looking at all the different ways to grow a brand. I think the old school word of mouth has always been the most powerful. Always been the most important. So what we’re doing this time is we’re trying to avoid heavy discounting unless it’s. Through a recommendation, personal recommendation, so you have our mattress. Now, if you said to me, and we may even say to you, we have a link for you to share with your friends, with that they’re going to get 15% off off the mattress. So we’re going to use word of mouth, and we’re going to do that the old fashioned way, using new technology and the new ways as well. So we’re looking for people that live a luxury lifestyle, that have huge followings, that create incredible content, and we’re going to try to avoid the trap of the downward cycle, the race to the bottom of discounting. So that’s why we have to be patient, because we’ve got to use new methods. And of course, we’re embracing all the new technologies what’s available with hyper hyper personalization in terms of channels as well as as well as messaging through the use of AI and so on. So we’re not, we’re never going to, no one’s ever going to talk to an AI bot with us. We answer our phones. We’re going to talk to customers. We’re actually going to open a local store here so that we can embrace so we can talk to customers every day and understand where we’re going. But building a brand in 2025 is incredibly different from the way it was in 2015 and I think so far, I’m really encouraged by where we are, the inquiries that we’re getting. The people are interested in talking about us just like you. And quite honestly, this is talking to you, and doing this podcast is exactly what we what Jamie said. How are you going to grow the company? I said, people are going to want to talk to us and help us share our story, and we’re grateful for that.

Kara Goldin 31:46
I totally agree. I think storytelling and people hearing your why, it really helps them. Actually two things, I think, figure out that your brand is out there, but also once they might have, maybe they walked into Design Within Reach and saw the mattress there, and just to really understand that there’s people behind it, and there’s a lot of thought, and there’s many trials and errors that went on, and then the best surface to the top, There’s years of experience in some cases, and that experience could be from a consumer perspective and many industries as well, but I think it’s getting to know the people that are behind these brands, is definitely something today that consumers are more and more gravitating towards, For sure. Well, thank you, Jamie and David, for coming on. You have created an incredible, incredible product and company, company and Tiami and definitely is a master class and figuring out how to work with entrepreneurs together, co founders, I should say, because I think it’s it’s clear that you guys definitely have synergy together. And if everyone for anyone listening, the website is Tiami.com but also you can check them out at Design Within Reach. They are in many of the stores, but also go to the Design Within Reach website. And definitely, this is a brand to watch. And if you love today’s episode, be sure to subscribe, leave a review and share it with a friend who needs better rest or a big entrepreneurial inspiration. And Tiami is really, really going somewhere, so it’s definitely, I’m very excited that you both join me here today. So thank you so much, David and Jamie.

David Wolfe 33:53
Thanks for having us. Yep, thank you. Thanks

Kara Goldin 33:57
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