Chaz Dean: Founder of WEN

Episode 580

On this episode of The Kara Goldin Show, we're joined by Chaz Dean, the innovative founder of WEN and a celebrity hairstylist and colorist who has transformed the beauty industry. Chaz shares his journey from discovering his passion in cosmetology school to revolutionizing hair care with WEN, a brand that champions natural ingredients over harsh chemicals. Chaz discusses the genesis of WEN, starting with his decision to stop using traditional shampoos and create a line of hair care products that nourish and rejuvenate. He dives into the development of his unique product line, including the popular new tropical-themed Pina Colada collection, which combines antioxidant-rich ingredients for superior hydration and shine. We also explore his latest innovation, the Brush Dryer Styling Tool, and how it aligns with his vision of making luxurious, healthy hair care accessible to everyone. Throughout our conversation, Chaz offers insights into the challenges and triumphs of building a brand that goes against industry norms, his approach to product development, and how he has navigated the competitive landscape of the beauty industry. He also shares advice for aspiring entrepreneurs looking to make their mark and discusses the future of hair care as seen through the lens of natural and sustainable practices. Join us for an inspiring discussion filled with actionable advice for anyone interested in beauty, entrepreneurship, or transforming a passion into a thriving business. This episode is a must-listen for anyone eager to learn about innovation, natural beauty, and the power of following your passion. Be sure to tune in—you won’t want to miss a moment of this enriching conversation! Now on The Kara Goldin Show.

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Kara Goldin 0:00
I am unwilling to give up that I will start over from scratch as many times as it takes to get where I want to be. I want to be you. Just want to make sure you will get knocked down. But just make sure you don’t get knocked out, knocked out. So your only choice should be go focus on what you can control. Control. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. Join me each week for inspiring conversations with some of the world’s greatest leaders. We’ll talk with founders, entrepreneurs, CEOs and really, some of the most interesting people of our time. Can’t wait to get started. Let’s go. Let’s go. Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Kara Goldin show. So excited to have our next guest here. We have Chaz Dean, who is the founder of some incredible products called Wen, but he’s also a celebrity hairstylist, visionary colorist and the genius founder behind this brand, Chaz, turned his passion for natural ingredients into a phenomenon that’s taken the beauty world by storm. You may have seen him on QVC. He’s the products are also available on on site. They’ve been, as I mentioned to him around, but I had not actually tried the products, and they’re pretty great. And let me tell you, his latest hit, the pina colada collection, is quite nice, for sure. So we’re about to get the full scoop on how Chaz flipped the script on traditional hair care and his journey from being a standout in the hair industry to actually creating these incredible products. So welcome Chaz,

Chaz Dean 1:48
thank you. Nice to meet you. Finally,

Kara Goldin 1:50
super excited. So So can you share your early experiences, like, why did you decide I’m going to get into the beauty industry? I’m going to become a stylist. I’m gonna get into color. What wherever this all started? What was the initial spark

Chaz Dean 2:08
it started because all through high school, I took commercial photography. So I love photography, did it for two and a half years in high school, graduated high school, took a commercial course in commercial photography, and I just felt like I wanted more experience under my belt, because my family had moved to Arizona from California, from Simi Valley to California to Arizona. A week after I graduated high school, I was still 17, so I kind of had to go. So I’m like, if I have to go, I’m going to take a photography course, but I had planned on moving back to California once I turned 18. When I knew that I was this 18 year old kid and I was going to move back to California, I felt like it was a really big pond and I was a little fish, and I wanted more experience under my belt, so I wanted to learn how to do hair and makeup, to incorporate it with my photography, so I could create the vision that I saw in my head, instead of translating to a hairstylist or a makeup artist do the hair like this, this is what I see, and hoping that they understood the vision that was in my head. So I went to school for hair, also learned makeup while I was in school, and I always had planned on moving back to California as soon as I graduated cosmetology school. My whole plan through going through cosmetology school, and this is in Arizona, that I was that kid who was going to move back to California, and my vision was I was going to go work at videl Sassoon. That was my dream. Gonna work because about videlta soon what training was everything. So everyone in school knew he’s graduating, he’s moving back to California. He’s gonna work in fidelity soon. So all through school, I took before and after shots of all my models. I got kids that I used to go out dancing like three, four nights a week. So I would get young, hip kids that were college students, and I would take their befores and their afters. So I had a pretty good portfolio, because most people in beauty school work on, you know, 67 year old women with roller sets. But that wasn’t my fate, because I went out dancing and I would bring them in. So when I came to interview at Vidal Sassoon, I was all excited, and my friend was a receptionist there that had moved there from Arizona as well, and she says, I can get you the interview, and the rest is up to you. And I said, that’s all I need, just get my foot in the door. So went through the interview, showed him my before and afters. It was great. The whole interview went great. And at the end they asked me, Do you want to be a colorist or a cutter? And like, I want to do both, because I do both. I’ve learned all through beauty school and all of that. I’m like, so I thought about, in my head, I’m like, color cut, color cut. And I said, I’m gonna have to think about that, because in my mind, I thought I couldn’t imagine my career only cutting hair. I couldn’t imagine my career only coloring hair. To me, it was the whole. Picture. That’s why I got into it. So I left there telling, literally, Vidal Sassoon Academy, not Academy salon. Give me time. Let me just think about this. Because I didn’t know if I could pick one or the other. So I ended up not going to Sassoon because I I couldn’t imagine doing one or the other. For me, it’s all picture. So I ended up going working at a place called Carlton in Los Angeles, and it was known as the artistic center. You were able to do everything. And I started out as an assistant, and I worked through the program really quickly. I worked through it in six months, which is fast, and it’s because I came to town with $3,000 in my pocket, and I had limited money for rent, and I had to make it work. So hustled my butt, and once I graduated and went on the floor, became a stylist, they got me into teaching because which is good, because once you come out of learning classes, you teach because it enforces what you learned in class, and it reinforces everything. So I started teaching, and then I started be and then I became the assistant manager, and I just grew up the chain with that. So it just, it all honestly happened quickly, but it was because I was motivated, and I, you know, I was moving and shaking. I knew what I want. I was very grateful. I knew what I wanted to do right out of high school. Because when I say in high school, you know, when you take those aptitude tests, whatever they are, to figure out what you want to be when you grow up, I never fit into any of the categories. It was, you know, business this, or lawyer that, or a doctor this, or I never felt like I fit into any of those categories. And I was confused, kind of like, God, where do I what am I going to do? Where do I fit in here? I knew I had the passion for photography. Then Wen hair happened, it just it all opened up. So I felt grateful that I felt my heart, I felt my passion. I was doing what I love doing

Kara Goldin 6:54
that’s amazing. So you went on from the early days to today, you’re known as a celebrity stylist and colorist. So can you share any celebrities maybe that you’ve been recognized as as working with over the years,

Chaz Dean 7:14
I always give credit to my first. You know how you always give credit to your first? My first is because you got to remember, I’ve been doing this since I was 19. So this is going to give away. Gonna give away a lot. My first was Nicolette Sheridan, and it’s when she was on Knott’s landing, which that’s how long ago, it was, in the 90s, and she was a client of one of the stylists. He couldn’t do her hair that day. He knew. And this is true. She knows I had a crush on her at a time, and I think probably everyone did, from Paige, from not slamming Nicolette Sheridan, and he says, well, guess what? You’re gonna Your dreams are gonna come true today, because you’re gonna get to work on your your crutch, and they’re going, What do you mean? He told Nicolette, I can’t, I don’t have time to do her today, so you’re gonna do her hair today. So I’m the person who doesn’t use bleach. I use color, which was different for her to hear. So I was the one that got her off of the bleach and got her onto color. But at the same time, I offer also got her off shampoo, and she thought I had three heads spinning around, like, What do you mean? No shampoo and no bleach? How are we going to get my hair done? I’m like, as long as you trust me, I promise it works. So she was my first breakthrough as far as no lather and no bleach. The second big one that I got was through her. And her brother happened to be dating Tori Spelling at the time, and it was 902, went out, so he she sent Tori Spelling, and she goes, Tori is going to come in to see you, because we’ve got to get her off the bleach and off the shampoo, and she was already she was hands down. She already knew the mission and whatnot. So Tori was the next one, and it just snowballed for them, because it ended became Jenny Garth and Shannon Doherty, Kathleen Robertson, like everyone on 90210, and then I ended up getting the girls on ER Julia Margulies and Gloria Rubin, and it was just a snowball effect, and it was word of mouth. And I think what made it special for me, and what made it, I don’t want to say easier, but made it unique for me, is that I was the guy who was going to tell you’re never going to use shampoo again. So it’s people can try to send you to a song. You’re like, okay, yeah, maybe I will. May well. But when they tell you’re going to go to someone, he’s going to change your life, and he’s going to tell you’re never going to use shampoo again. You’re like, 30 years ago. You’re like, wait, what do you mean? No shampoo again? You’re crazy. So I had, I had something that was unique and different, especially in 1993 9495 because everyone shampooed and lathered up their hair. So this kid telling him that you’re never going to do it again, and they would see the changes. I tell people, watch Knots Landing back towards the end of it. Watch 902, and oh in 90, probably three, four or five. And you’ll see when Tori went from Bleach fried hair to it got healthier and healthier and healthier. You can literally see on their shows when i. Started doing their hair, and that’s why it literally helped change the map and put me on the map because you saw the difference in your hair, and it wasn’t just maybe a great haircut or great color. He literally changed everything about your hair, even though I was crazy. They thought was crazy.

Kara Goldin 10:20
So let’s dig into the traditional shampoo topic. So can you share what concerns did you have with traditional shampoo and why tell people no more?

Chaz Dean 10:34
Well, the company I worked for prior Remember, I said I worked for Carlton, I developed a product for them, literally, when I was 19, because they didn’t have their own deep conditioner. And I went to them with a question, like, I don’t understand, you have your own product line, but you order these high propax from the Beauty Supply. I’m a kid, but that doesn’t make sense. Why didn’t you have your own deep conditioner? So they said, well, we’ll set you up at the lab if you want to help us create one. Never done that in my life, but because I opened that door and asked that question. It opened that opportunity for me. So we did that. We launched it, called it Reconstructor. About six months later, they came up to me and said, We’re thinking of doing a more natural product line. Would you be interested? And again, I’m still 1920 at the time, and I said, Sure, but what will I get out of it? And they’ve all just proved you can do it first, and we’ll talk about that later. So I did do it. I already proved it with the first product, but I love doing that, and I didn’t want to not get this experience. So I didn’t push the boundaries come like I want to do this, because it’s great for me to learn it, do it and get the experience. So I did do it. And I created a Primrose shampoo for them, Sage conditioner and a rosemary conditioner for them. And the name was the name of the product was called ecoli, and then it changed its name to fashion formula. So it’s the Big Sexy Hair. I developed their first ever three products for them. And I’m sure you’ve heard of Big Sexy Hair. Fashion for them is Big Sexy Hair. I developed their first ever three products in that line. They ended up selling the salon that I was in, which was in Valera. They had offered it to me, and at first I said no, because they didn’t pay me on the product development. They screwed me over on that. And I thought they never paid for anything. I wouldn’t be where I’m at today with out the experience, because they didn’t pay you to manage either. And I would tell them, just pay me. Pay me minimum wage, which was in the threes at the time. Pay me minimum wage just to show me it means something to you. And they wouldn’t do that, so I wouldn’t have the experience. I probably wouldn’t be aware today if I was disgruntled and didn’t do it because they didn’t. I got the experience from it. So I want people to take that as a lesson like because we’re in different times today, everyone wants something for nothing. Now, I’m like, sometimes you just got to realize that the lesson you’re getting out of this, or the growth you’re getting out of this, or the future you’re getting out of this, is what’s going to be worth it. But we’re living in different times. I wouldn’t be where I’m at today if I didn’t take those steps, even though, yes, I was taken advantage of drastically, but I turned that around and turned it into my success. So when they offered me the salon and they hadn’t paid me on the product, my first my first instinct was to say, No, there’s no way, because I know you screwed me over. But then I thought about it, and the salon they were offering me wasn’t successful because they were holding on to their name, and it was in Bel Air. And I said, if you change the name to anything but Carlton, because they think of it, they’re multi millionaires, and they think of it as a chain salon. So if you change the name to anything but Carlton, you have a successful salon. But these women won’t walk in the door because they think of it like as fantastic Sams or something like that. It’s a chain salon to them. So they didn’t and when I had that light bulb moment, thinking, Wait a minute, I can make this work. The only reason it’s not working is because their egos in the way, and they won’t change the name. So I did buy it, and that’s how, that’s what turned it all around. And that’s the day I gave up lather, because the only reason I was using lather is because I worked for that company. I had to sell their shampoo, I had to sell their conditioner, I had to sell all their products, but I knew that every time my clients lathered up their hair, their color was going down the drain. I would put vegetable color in their shampoo. It worked a little bit. I would put vegetable color in their shampoo and conditioner and send them home with it. But I knew in my head, it’s working a bit. But every time they lather up, it’s stripping it out, and then I’m putting it in their condition. Conditioner. It’s putting it back in. And then they lather and they strip it out. I knew every time they were lathering, it was stripping out. So how do I get rid of the lather? And that’s what my aha light bulb moment was. And I used to have to all show my hair. I used to have to shampoo and condition my hair 14 times a week, twice a day, because I was so oily, because I would rob my scalp of its natural oils, and then I would strip my scalp. My body would work overtime. I would get an oily scalp and dry ends, because it would never catch up, because it was oily, because your bodies worked overtime, replenish the oils. Your ends would straight, stay dry, because you always, never. Made it down there. So I had a vicious cycle that 14 times a week I had a shampoo and condition my hair. Once I gave up the lather. 30 and 93 I would do it like once a day, then it was every other day, then it was two or three times a week. I now cleanse. I just cleansed this morning, and I hadn’t cleansed since Friday. So six days, I can go six, seven days without cleansing, my hair pretty much looks like this every day. I could never have done that 30 years ago. It would be so oily and nasty. So yeah, that was it. Color going down the drain, hair breaking down, getting finer, thinner and weaker, and then robbing your scalp. And when I would lather up, my scalp would be so tight and itchy I hated it, and the day I gave it up, I never turned back. So

Kara Goldin 15:51
you’re not saying don’t wash your scalp. You’re just saying that was traditional, not with lather Exactly.

Chaz Dean 16:01
Sorry, go ahead. No,

Kara Goldin 16:02
no, so. So this ultimately led to your line, your amazing line of products, when so is that? Is that fair to say that you were kind of going through this whole process and then you decided I should just create exactly what I want people to be using,

Chaz Dean 16:22
yeah, it’s funny you say that, because for the first couple years, I was mixing the sage conditioner that I made for them, that I developed for them, and the rosemary conditioner, because the sage was really moisturizing, the rosemary was more of a mask and more clarifying, more stringent. So I would mix the two of them together, and that was what I started with, because one was moisturizing, one was more astringent and clarifying. And then one day, I went to my garden. I got sage, rosemary, lavender, eucalyptus, apples, bananas, pears, oiled that up in my kitchen, and it was only an elixir, like a tea, but I went in the shower and I put it on my scalp, and I’m like, it felt tingly. It felt clean, it felt awake. My hair felt shiny. It didn’t feel stripped, it didn’t feel squeaky clean, but it felt clean and hydrated shiny. I’m like, Okay, I developed those products for them couple years ago, and I put a lot of work into it. Imagine what I could do for myself now, knowing what I know now. And that’s when I met with the lab and started working with the lab and like, here’s my starting ground, but I want to take this to completely the like an idea of a car, and turning it into whatever you want to call it, whatever car you want it to be, is kind of what I wanted to do. I had an idea, but I needed to take it to next level. So it took me five years to create my first cleansing conditioner, because I was amazing, very particular, and it had to work on everybody. It had to work on everybody. And

Kara Goldin 17:45
how many SKUs did you actually launch with in the beginning?

Chaz Dean 17:49
One? I could only afford one. I couldn’t I couldn’t even afford one. The reason it took me five years is because I kept trying to see if I could get anyone that could invest or wanted to be partners, or any of that, but no one, no. The people that later down the line are like, Oh my god, I could kick myself for not being part of that. And I’m grateful because I’ve never had partners, so I’m grateful for that, because it worked out how it was meant to but yeah, the people I asked like, I wish I could have I just didn’t have it at the time. That’s why I had to wait the five years until I had enough money. But it wasn’t even enough money to get it from the laboratory. I had it manufactured the lab, and I had to have it filled at an outside filling company, because the minimum I couldn’t reach the minimum at the manufacturer. So I had to launch it shoestring budget. But it was that, you know, it’s you tell a friend and a friend and a friend. It snowballs from day one, from day one.

Kara Goldin 18:45
And this was really before social media had kind of taken off as number 2000 Yeah. I mean, it was, it was very, very early. So in addition to kind of word of mouth, how else did people start to learn about your product. You grew from one product to more as it started to be successful. How many products do you have today? Over 750 which is great. It’s insane. Yeah, it’s fair. Now

Chaz Dean 19:16
my skincare is my skincare is incredible. My skin, not joke, I have Bella spirits skincare before covid In what March of 2019 I get migraines really badly. So I used to get Botox. It really helped my migraines. I would do it like every nine months to a year, it would start to run off and I get migraines again. I think, oh, I need to go get Botox, because it really would help with that during covid In 2020 you go through your social media and you’re looking through and I just saw photo shoots where my eyebrow would be arched up here and whatnot, and I’m like, I didn’t like how it looked. So I have not had Botox. I only did fillers once in my life, like 15 years ago here, and I hated it. I hated it. Then I felt like a chipmunk. I never did it again, but the Botox 90 90% of the reason I did it was for the migraines. Yeah, it was nice to have smooth or whatnot, but 90% was for the migraines. So my point is, is that as I look through my social media during covid, I’m like, I feel better about how I look not doing it. So I’ve not done it in almost five and a half years. This is 100% my skin, my face, everything, and it is my skin care. And I developed the skincare through covid and all of that. So it’s evolved. And part of it is my own needs of what I’m looking for out in the market. And the other part is listening to my customers of what they want and they’re looking for. So it’s twofold. Most of it’s on them, the other parts on mine, selfishly, like my self tanner. I self tan because I had skin cancer 15 years ago. So I used to use tanning beds. Did not do it from the day I had that first skin cancer. I’ve had it three times. I haven’t had it in probably, like 10 years now, thank goodness, but I haven’t used tanning beds. I don’t tan out in the sun anymore. I always use self tanners, but I always smell like self tanner. If you know what that means, I always year round smell like self tanner. So one day I had a light bulb of like, why am I settling for these self tanners that I settled for that weren’t great, but they were the best though I could find and not create my own. So that’s why I created my own self tanner. So tans evenly, phased evenly. It’s plant based. It gives you your own natural pigmentation, based off with sugar based plants, off of your own DNA, so no tooth hands look alike. It’s not orangey, and you never smell like self tanner. So I base it off of my needs and my customers needs. So

Kara Goldin 21:37
your newest collection that I believe it’s your newest, the pina colada, is that correct?

Chaz Dean 21:42
Yeah, it’s one of my Yeah, it’s one of my newest. It’s our summer pina colada. And I actually have the body treatment on me, so I smell like pina colada right now as well. I love

Kara Goldin 21:53
I love it. And then you also launched the brush dryer styling tool. And what is so great about the brush, dryer, styling tool, I’m so curious.

Chaz Dean 22:04
It’s, he’s here. The reason I the reason I developed this is because I I do hair still, and I got tired of my clients coming in, and I know my clients hair when they come in and I’m blow drying their hair, and their hair is thinner and thinner. Like, oh, it’s just my hair is getting thinner. And I would lift their hair. And I’ll explain to you, when you lift your hair up, your hair should be the same thickness from the roots as it is all the way to the ends, basically. And when it’s not, it’s either what you’re doing with it, what you’re cleansing it with, or what you’re styling it with. It’s something you’re doing to it. So when my clients tell me, Oh, it’s just thinning. I said, No, and I would lift up their hair. I’m like, look at the first two to three inches. It’s nice and thick, but look at the mid shaft and all the way through the ends, and it gets thinner, thinner, thinner. Is nothing there. I said, it’s what you’re doing to it. And then they’ll tell me some are the one that you’re a No, I just tell them it’s a professional one. I said, it’s not that it’s a bad brand. It’s just too hot. And it starts with the D, and I say, just turn it down to the lowest heat setting. And again, I’m not brushing that. I’m just it’s too hot, like on the high heat of that one, which they have the fans and vacuums and all that, you know, which one I just say, turn it to the lowest heat setting, because I’m not knocking their tool. It’s nice tool. The heat setting is too hot, and that’s what’s causing your hair to get finer, thinner, weaker. And the other one is those brush dryers that starts with an R, and that was the worst, because it would just melt their hair and it would just break. So it was more of the need for a proper tool that wouldn’t damage your hair and wouldn’t cause the damage to your air on the market, because I watch people constantly launching tools that first it was like 325 degrees, then it was 350 that was 375 then it 395 now they’re up to 410, and 425 I’m like, You’re burning the sh out of your hair. My tool. That’s not a joke. It’s designed not to exceed, not to exceed 240, degrees. And the best example I can give you is if you’re baking salmon, Turkey or sweet potato, and you want to cook that faster by turning your oven up from 325, up to 500 degrees is not going to cook it any faster. The only thing it’s going to do is burn it from the outside in the inside will never cook properly because you burned it from the outside, the inside will still be wrong. So that’s the element with this. Is by putting mine under 240 degrees, it’s evenly warming up your heat your hair evenly so it’s drying. It quicker, actually, because I think it’s going to take longer. I’m like, no, it’s actually quicker. Like, how’s that possible? Like, because you’re not burning from the outside in and keeping, you know, the moisture inside, in the interior layer. So they’re shocked at how fast it dries, because it doesn’t burn your hair. So that was key number one for me, is the heat control.

Kara Goldin 24:59
So. You’re in a position where you’re using lots of different products, obviously, and you’ve seen how, you know, basically, consumers have been marketed to. They think that these are going to solve their problems, but obviously they don’t want to, you know, destroy their hair in some way, or destroy their scalp in some way. So how do you envision the future of hair care and And Wen’s role? I feel like you’re really solving problems, right? That, that you see, and, I mean, it’s, it’s, must be really rewarding. I think you had, I envision like your, your day is probably very rewarding because you’re making people happy with hair and color, but now you’re actually helping to change an industry. Because if products like this are out there, and it sort of starts to call attention to your point about other products that are actually damaging?

Chaz Dean 26:01
Yeah, it’s funny you say that, because the the the one that I called out, which, again, the the D, the major brand, their original one that they put out in the market, wasn’t as hot. So me and the people in my industry think what they did is put out a hotter one for more professionals. And again, if a professional do it, you’re moving it quicker, keeping it going, you know, to turn it down. So I think that’s what it was. So it’s funny, you say that because even when I launched my product, there was no such thing as a cleansing condition. This is 30 years ago. There was no such thing, there was no category. So when I went to launch it, I’m like, God, what am I going to call it? It’s not shampoo. It’s not can do. It’s not shampoo. It’s more than conditioner. I’m like, well, it’s cleansing, it’s conditioning. What about in my head? I’m like, cleansing, conditioner, cleansing condition. Like, yeah, that sounds good. It has a ring to it. It makes sense. You’re cleansing, you’re conditioning at the same time. So when I launched it, everyone thought it was crazy. But the other part, that’s why I am on QVC, is because I launched in november 2000 and I knew I can’t be in Sephora, I can’t be an Ulta and put it on a shelf and just sit there, because there’s no category of that, so people are not going to know what to do with it. And I would have clients tell me, oh, you should be on QVC. You should be on QVC. I’m like, my mom used to do that, and I used to tell her mom, that’s silly. You’re supposed to go to a mall to shop. You don’t shop from TV, which she was way ahead of her time, obviously. But I just it didn’t make sense to me till I thought about like, you know what? They’re right? Because what that does is it gives me a platform to speak to millions at one time about each individual product. And they’re right, whether I think it’s silly, cheesy whatnot, back to 20 years ago. It made sense, and I’m like, it is kind of the only way I can see this launching successfully and be able to educate millions of people at one time. So I didn’t know it immediately, but I finally got there within the fifth year of me launching it. And when I did it just, it just kept boom, boom, boom, boom, growing, growing, growing. So yeah, it’s, it’s knowing that I had a message, and how am I going to explain to everybody that picks it up off the shelf, how they’re going to use it, what to expect? It’s not going lather. Don’t look for lather. It’s going to feel clean. It’s not going to feel stripped, squeaky clean, but it’s going to feel hydrated clean. It’s going to stay cleaner longer. How do I get that message across with a product sitting on a shelf? So PVC was a huge help, and the infomercial was a huge help with that. That’s

Kara Goldin 28:28
terrific. Well, that’s like great advice, I think, for anybody who’s looking at different opportunities and and you know, whether it’s in beauty or or any other industry, for sure. So Chaz Dean, founder of Wen, and celebrity stylist, visionary colorist, will have all the info in the show notes on how to get all these incredible products that you’ve created with Wen. But also you’re based in Los Angeles, if people want to find you there, we’ll we’ll definitely put that in the show notes as well. So thank you so much, Chaz. Just

Chaz Dean 29:05
so you know, we also opened us lunches this past year in New York. So I’m in New York as well. We’re at 15 perfect, which that’s been waiting to happen for so long, and it finally happened.

Kara Goldin 29:14
So you split your time between both coasts?

Chaz Dean 29:17
Yeah, because I already go to QVC, like half the year already. So while I’m there, I tag on New York now

Kara Goldin 29:24
that’s terrific. Very good to know well. Chaz Dean, thank you so much. It was so great to meet you. Thank you.

Chaz Dean 29:32
Thank you. Nice to meet you.

Kara Goldin 29:34
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