Chervin Jafarieh: Co-Founder & Chief Scientific Officer of Cymbiotika

Kara Goldin 0:00
I am unwilling to give up that I will start over from scratch as many times as it takes to get where I want to be. I want to be you. Just want to make sure you will get knocked down. But just make sure you don’t get knocked out, knocked out. So your only choice should be go focus on what you can control. Control. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. Join me each week for inspiring conversations with some of the world’s greatest leaders. We’ll talk with founders, entrepreneurs, CEOs and really, some of the most interesting people of our time. Can’t wait to get started. Let’s go. Let’s go. Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Kara Goldin show. Super, super thrilled to have our next guest. Here we have Chervin Jafarieh, and you may not know his name, but you may have seen the explosive company that he has created that is explosive growth, I should say, company that he has created called Cymbiotika. He is the co founder and chief scientific officer of this incredible, incredible company. Chervin is a pioneering force in the wellness industry, blending cutting edge approaches from Functional Medicine and lots of incredible science behind it, he’s got a deep expertise that spans most both Eastern and Western medical traditions, and he is dedicated to empowering individuals to take control of their health and achieve optimal well being. So today we’re going to dive into chervine’s journey, his groundbreaking work at Cymbiotika, and his insights into the future of wellness. So welcome to the show. Chervin

Chervin Jafarieh 1:55
Kara, it’s great to be here. Very nice to meet you, and I look forward to exploring all aspects of this creation with you. Very,

Kara Goldin 2:05
very excited. So before we dive into Cymbiotika, could you share a bit about your background and what were you doing before deciding to start this company? Yeah,

Chervin Jafarieh 2:17
I’ve been in the field of health since day one. I’m a Waldorf child. I went to Waldorf school, so I was trained in environmental health and, you know, human biotics and understanding biodynamic farming and diversity in our soil and everything that is contributing to a healthy ecosystem at an early age. And then from there, was mentored by my cousin, who was the was the authority on raw food nutrition for 25 years. His name’s David Wolf. I don’t know if you know David, and at that point, went into Ayurveda and traditional Chinese herbal medicine trainings. And, you know, basically went around the world. And I lived in the jungles of Peru. I lived in different parts of many ecosystems and learned from the elders on how, you know, the body works on a physical, metaphysical level, and came back and got into environmental private equity, created a company actually, that did most of its work in the Bay Area, Palo Alto peninsula, and ran in those circles for about 10 years. And then about 2014 2015 I had a moment in life where I said, you know, I’m I gotta really put together a lot of this energy for the people. And I was doing a good job helping people that were already successful in many areas of life, but my heart was in health and wellness, and radical health and wellness, not basic online Ambassador stuff. I mean, really getting into the root cause and understanding these things on a deep, deep, physical and metaphysical level. And I saw many, many holes in the supplement industry. We’re all aware of the pitfalls of, you know, what’s happening right now with pharmaceutical drug industry, and masking symptoms with drugs, and seeing that, you know, there really is a dead end at the end of the street with all of these, you know, different types of pharmaceutical drugs that aren’t addressing the problems. And we have a failing health system in this country. It’s, it’s radical problems right now. And so I just wanted to come in there and fill in the gaps from a supplement industry that I felt was weak. I felt was not transparent, and I felt was a race to the bottom, and all of those things when people are trusting a group because they have devoted themselves to holistic wellness, I believe that there needed to be a energy exchange and a nice return and so Cymbiotika was birthed. It was also birthed out of a lot of trauma and pain. I was going through colon cancer. With my father, and was literally in the trenches with him for four or five years, and that experience pushed me over the top to create somatica, and somatica was birthed from that pain. And you know, shortly after that, I reconnected with an old childhood friend of mine that was a, you know, a brilliant entrepreneur with a huge heart, and his name is Shahab, and he’s a childhood friend of mine. And after about a year, we we, you know, we birthed this almost together, and here we are, five, six years later, one of the fastest growing brands in the space, and doing everything with intention and honor. Literally, every decision is made with that mindset. We’re not in the whole margin situation. We don’t have outside investors. We bootstrap this organization together as a team, and that’s allowed us to create the transparency necessary to be trusted by some of the top people in the field. So we really built this on that health community that asks questions, that practices discernment, that knows more than the basic lexicon around health, and really revere themselves, as, you know, direct observers of science. And so that kept us honest and kept them honest, and here we are today, making the best products on Earth and having the best time ever.

Kara Goldin 6:32
I love it. So you mentioned you had lived in a lot of different areas of the world, and had also gone through something painful with with your family, around health and and trying to trying to get somebody better. I love the concept of eastern and western medicine. I’m a huge fan of Mark Hyman and lots of you know thinking around the how Eastern medicine really is kind of missing in most people’s lives. What is it about? I think most people don’t really understand what that means. How would you describe that? Like, what had you seen that was just kind of missing, that you thought you could really help? Yeah,

Chervin Jafarieh 7:20
the magic of Eastern medicine goes beyond the diagnosis. Allopathic is, how do we solve an ailment? How do we solve a symptom, for the most part, and I want to also be clear that there are many Western doctors and physicians that have integrated their work more into functionality, as opposed to one dimensional diagnosis, and that’s happening at a rapid rate as the as we move through and evolve over the years. And it’s extraordinary to see. And I’m those are my colleagues. Those are people that I work with on a daily basis. We are constantly getting better and better and more efficient and being able to look at root causes and understanding where, where the problem is. Eastern philosophy is looking at the body as a whole and understanding exactly what’s happening in the deeper parts of the body, mainly on an energy level and on a depletion level. And so for example, if we’re not getting the right compounds in the forms of mineralization, in the forms of herbs, in the forms of different biotics and things of that, you start having miscommunication in the microbiome. You start having miscommunication with the gut, brain access. From there, other things start to go wrong. Then all the symptoms come on and right now, because of the disconnection we have from our body and from our mother earth, most people are completely disconnected from their own health. You know, you do a general consensus, how many people really, truly understands what the liver function is, right and what holds outside of it being a filter, the liver has 1000s of biochemical and biological processes that occur, and if you are not aware of that, then you have no idea how to treat that. Eastern medicine shows how those connections are so pivotal to ultimately a higher level of health, which at the same time we’re talking about homeostasis, it’s finding balance, where the body is working together versus trying to compensate for an energy loss somewhere else. Also, we’re in a very toxic world. You know, someone told me that detoxification might be more important than nutrition at this point. You know, our air is polluted, our soils polluted, and you don’t even want me to get into what’s in our water supply right now. The municipal tap water is insane. Foods are hybridized, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides. Glyphosate is being sprayed everywhere. This is real problem. These things are affecting our our body’s ability to stay together. And communicative. That’s the problem with these types of compounds. They cause miscommunication between the cells, and if you’re not mineralized, if you’re clinically dehydrated, now you’re completely behind the eight ball, then you mix in a lot of the fear propaganda and everything that’s happening on social media and TV and the news now you just you don’t have a place to stand. And because we’re not connected to nature anymore, we’re living in artificial boxes with artificial temperature controls. We have weird lighting, all of those things that becomes a problem. Throw on top of the fact that we’re sedentary. We’re more sedentary than we’ve ever been. We’re not out in nature, climbing trees, growing our food connected to the earth. You know, we’re not getting the stimuli of that electromagnetism, which lowers free radical free radical burdens, and we’re not getting sunlight on the rise. We’re not activating our circadian rhythm. It’s no wonder why we’re a lot of us are living in pain and fear and reaching for things that are not good for us. It’s a it’s a form of mental escapism. When you’re not feel good, you want to, you want to off gas that somewhere else and some of that. And that’s when addictions develop. Eastern medicine, whether it’s Ayurveda or TCM or ancient Persian medicine and stuff. It teaches you the opposite of those types of activities and addictions. It wants you to go into the pain. It wants you to go into the root cause. You can feel it numbing. It takes you closer and closer to rapid aging, to immunosenescence. That’s when your cells in your body just stop functioning. And like most of my colleagues would say, once you enter the disease span, then it’s a whole list of problems that you got to deal with, and autoimmune conditions are the bridge to most strange pathological diseases that we’re seeing today, whether it’s cardiovascular cancers, diabetes, metabolic syndromes, things of that nature, it’s really not that complicated when you understand the fundamentals of how the body works and how it needs to function in homeostasis. So these are all parts of the Eastern philosophy that grounds us and looks at the whole thing as a template, if you will. I’m actually working on a geometry or a diagram, if you will, to put, to put all of these thoughts and ideas and concepts about creating a homeostatic body into a 3d image, so people can see that and have that visual acuity and understand it through that type of awareness. And I think it’s really important right now, because I get people in the holistic community that are actually searching for an allopathic strategy all the time, albeit it might not be a drug that they’re asking, but they’re asking for an herb, or they’re asking for a supplement, or they’re asking for this, when the whole time, it’s a much deeper conversation, and it’s really understanding how the body works. And I think that’s what the beauty of Cymbiotika is. You know, we wanted to be an educational platform, and then supplements come third or fourth, where, you know, where we want to create a movement around becoming your own scientist, becoming your own doctor. The mindset that no one’s coming to save me is actually very empowering, and it causes you to stand up in your power and to be strong and to be investigative of your body and not be, denying the feelings that you’re feeling intuitively or physically when the body is giving you pains on your side, or your hair becomes brittle, or you have a regular heartbeat, or your anxiety is high and you’re waking up in the middle of the night, or you’re constipated. This is your body sending you a message and saying, Hey, listen, there’s a problem here. And the more that we suppress it, the more that that starts to fester. And then at some point, there’s a there’s a whole collapse. And then, you know, the immune system cracks. And you know, if you have co infections, which a lot of people do, then all of a sudden, and it’s just a big crack. So that was a long winded response, but I just want to give you kind of a totality perspective on how I see health and wellness and how it affects our everyday life.

Kara Goldin 14:09
You know, it’s interesting. I, as you know, I founded a company called hint water and and I’ve spoken to a lot of doctors eastern and western medicine over over the years. And, you know, it’s, it’s interesting, when I think about disease in the US, we have amazing health care, if you can access it. I mean not getting into sort of, you know, the the great divide that exists right in in there. But it really does seem like disease is ahead here. You know, you see in other parts of the world where type two diabetes in particular is, is, you know, couple years behind us, right? Like we know it’s coming. And I’ve said this to people who I’ve spoken to in other parts of the world, like, you know, if you want to know what’s coming from a disease perspective. At the US. I mean, it’s, it’s here, and I just think there’s such a need to get into this exactly what you’re doing so much sooner, to try and fix those things. But I could see your product being useful all over the world right now. You’re really focused on the US, right?

Chervin Jafarieh 15:18
Correct? Yeah, we’re, we’re US Canada primarily focused, but we are, you know, we are in international markets. We’re worldwide. You know, we’re in the UK, and we slowly make our ways into the European Union. We have, you know, wholesalers out there. But I you know, having, uh, having just our, our energy being spread out across the world is the most important thing education and the awareness and the empowerment of it. And that’s really, you know, what we’re cultivating at simonica.

Kara Goldin 15:52
So you’ve worked with various experts in health and philosophy throughout the career. Was there any that you worked with that really, like a pivotal moment of sort, that really taught you that your approach to wellness, or was it just kind of organic, as you were moving along and and facing your, you know, your own, what you were seeing,

Chervin Jafarieh 16:19
There were so many, you know, and I just, I almost find it as some kind of karma or some kind of fate that put me on this path. You know, I have a devout spiritual practice, and I see beyond the lens of the material perspective. I see beyond, you know, just everyday life. I have many visions, and a lot of those visions have shown me that, you know, a lot of the pain and suffering that the world experiences is really just medicine, and it’s for us to really gather and and dig deep into, you know, our our loins, if you will, and to Push forward and to strive for excellence. And so I’ve met you know, brilliant, brilliant scientists and doctors and philosophers over the last 25 years of my life, my father being one of them, and it’s it’s almost put an obligation on me to keep going and to never sleep, in the sense of not wanting to learn more. You know, it’s an internal quest for knowledge, and that fire has never been brighter within me right now. And I think that’s something that is so important for people’s health, is you see it all the time and on social media. You know without purpose. You know you don’t have drive without drive. You’re not motivated to do anything. You need to have you need to love what you do. And I, I compare it to the abundance model. You know, if you’re chasing money all the time and chasing money, you’re never going to get it. But if you’re, if you’re in what you love, and there’s fire around that, and you’re contributing to something greater than your individual self, then the abundance will come. And it’s the same thing with your physical health. If your mindset is just on esthetics, how do I look? How do I look? What’s my appearance? How am I going to be perceived? Then you’re it’s just never going to work out. But if your perspective is I want to be the healthiest version of myself, because I understand that getting 15,000 steps in a day is going to lower my insulin levels. It’s going to help me burn through glucose reserves. It’s going to keep my body in movement, and I’ll have detoxification pathways opening up, and it’s going to build my cardiovascular health, the side effect of that. And, you know, high intensity interval training is a better physique. So it’s really finding, you know, and cultivating the intention around everything. And that’s really, again, it takes me back to symbiotic as there was no point when creating this company and creating this movement, was there this huge, big picture of, you know, big, big bot, you know, going into big retail and business and all that stuff was really to help people and to create a movement around that, where people can trust and learn from a group that Is embodying it. And if you go back on my social platforms or my lectures over the last seven, eight, even 10 years before Cymbiotika, it’s it’s all predicated on this level of awareness and truth. And every time we go into a formulation design, you should see the stuff I’m working on right now. You know, it’s extraordinary, and it’s never been done before, like we’re not trying to find a supplement out there and go, Oh, how can we do this? No, we’re trailblazing everything. Our preservative systems, nobody’s ever done anything like it before. Our flavor systems, nobody has ever done anything like this before. Our liposomal. Technology and the way that we create Nano, encapsulated material has never been done before. We source raw materials from some of the most exotic places in the world that most business people would say, You’re crazy. Why would you do this? It makes no sense. What are you getting out of it? It’s because these things matter, an herb that’s grown somewhere in Arizona versus an herb that’s coming from like Nepal has a different bioactivity availability in terms of its constitution, the earth and the material and the rainfall over there brings in a different level of constitution to that herb, versus something that is doesn’t hold that and these things matter. This is how intention goes on, formulations and what we create. And myself and the entire team couldn’t have it any other way. You know, we have, we’ve had to put multiple formulas on the back burner just because it couldn’t pencil at all. We would actually lose money on it. And I would, I would beg to say, and you know, this is, I don’t know if I’m bragging about this, but we have the lowest margins of any brand in the space, not even close. And that’s, you know, that’s good and bad. But I think the way that our team has set up the organization for people to really be able to get these products consistently through our subscription offerings, and the way that we discount some of the products and reward people for staying on, it’s really allowed us to grow this without the highest margins, because we’re we’ve built Such a platform of people that are using the formulas.

Kara Goldin 21:44
So when people you’ve got a lot of people interested right now, and I know you’re in about 7000 locations, places like sprouts and and air one, but you’re also available online. So if somebody goes to your site. To Cymbiotika, would like, what is the first thing that you really want them to do? I

Chervin Jafarieh 22:07
want them to learn. Take the quiz, learn a little bit about their current situation before they buy anything. This might be strange to say it, but take some time learn about the products. Most of the products are designed for umbrella health, meaning they’ll they work for everyone, all aspects, whether it’s cognitive, cardiovascular, microbiome, skin, detoxification, immune boosting, stabilization of the immune system, mineralization, which is a cornerstone of health, that’s a whole 10 hour lecture in itself. There’s so many ways that we have our offering for so many people take time learn about the formulas, do some research on it. Look at our ingredients, compare our ingredients with other groups out there, look at them, ask questions, and then from there, make a decision based on their mind, and got meet somewhere in the middle and get started. And majority of the time, once they get started, they feel the results almost immediately, because our products are food based products. You’re not taking some synthetic compound that’s been sitting in a warehouse for two and a half years. Our liquid and liposomal formulas are live that’s basically food based products. And another thing is that they’re also experiential. I can’t take capsules all day long. It’s just it gets old, and a lot of people just can’t do that. It’s not natural. We’re supposed to be getting our nutrition from our food, but our food is shot. Our soil is shot. And not all of us live on the north shore of Kauai eating biodynamic food all day long. We live in, you know, cities and urban sprawls and places where the food is not the highest caliber. That’s why somebody comes birth. Or wanted to create food based products that people can trust, that, again, have no weird preservatives in it, no natural flavors in our products. I want to be very like, that’s how that’s how far we go. Even a lot of the so called health products out there, you’ll see natural flavors on there. Natural flavors is a guise that put in hundreds, if not 1000s, of different chemicals in there, under that, under that, and that’s something that’s just ridiculous, because most people just don’t know it. We don’t use any of that. We only use organic terpenes. These are the aromatic profiles of certain fruits and certain things like cacao and vanilla and citruses, things of that nature, we only use the best, highest, plastic free sea salts. You know, everything is top notch. And why? Why? Because you’re putting it in your body that matters. And so, yeah, definitely. Again, trust your instincts. Do some research, find out what makes sense to you, and start your journey. Yeah.

Kara Goldin 25:00
Yeah, so you touched on the mineralization topic, and I won’t make you go into 10 hours, but overall, like minerals has that’s come up as such a hot topic, at least in my circle over the last year in particular. So what do you think people don’t know about minerals? Is there some miracle mineral out there? Obviously, you’re combining that mineral and a lot of your products, but you also have certain products that I think are really kind of must haves when people are wanting to get more of this mineral. But can you talk a little bit about that?

Chervin Jafarieh 25:41
Yeah, and so you’re, you’re in the water game, right? And so I’m a spring water hunter. I’ve been hunting spring water since I was seven, Iceland, Canada, all over North America. It’s a spiritual practice, looking and finding a spring and aquifer and understanding the value of that water and minerals go hand in hand. It’s almost like one A and 1b in terms of their importance. I think they are on the top echelon of physical and mental and emotional health. Minerals are the electric charge that program the body to do a certain function and to stay stable. It’s really fascinating when you think that our bodies are literally made from the earth. If I took all the minerals that are organic, minerals that come from the earth out of your body, you’d wither away in a few minutes into a big mashed potato glob. And we’re made of it. Our structure is made of it. Our tendons are made of it. Our tissues are made of it. Not just calcium, but phosphorus and copper and magnesium and silica and all these different minerals that make up the conceptual identity of being a human. And so we are lacking minerals. We are completely deficient in minerals. Why? Because our soil is not being properly managed through a 12 year cycle, and we don’t have closed loop systems. We’ve turned it into big monocrop farms, and it’s destroyed and decimated our health the you know, once they decimated the roaming buffalo, which was churning up the soil and created the hydrological cycle, the mineralization process. The Earth’s crust in North America basically died. Now you introduce hybridization and glyphosate and all these other things that’s gone. The minerals come from the soil. That’s where. That’s where it is, the fulvic and humic acid. And so if you’re low on magnesium, that means that your ability to handle stress goes out the window. There’s a burn rate to stress and cortisol and magnesium, they play its part to perfection. Magnesium is the ion creates an ionic channel for cells to communicate with each other. Think of it as the transponder between cells. And if you’re low on magnesium, that means your body’s not communicating with itself properly. It’s not getting the cues, and then from there, you have severe problems. We’re we’re deficient in bioavailable copper. Copper is needed for energy exchange, ATP production. It keeps the parasites low, things like that. Copper is critical. What are the most important nutrients in the world. World, we’re low on silica. Silica is the beautifying mineral. It holds our collagen together. It holds our tendons together. It holds our organs together, all of these things. When you start becoming deficient in it, it starts wearing out the engine of the body, and that’s where premature aging comes in, you can do all the outside plastic surgery and all the filler and all that crazy stuff. But if you are rusting from the internal lack of nutrients, you’re just running towards a cliff with no brakes on. I’ll tell you that straight up, you can the replenishing of our body is so necessary and proper hydration and proper mineralization is the foundation of that before anything else. So for our company, you know, we do have our magnesium oh three and eight, which was developed at MIT. That’s a very interesting form of magnesium that crosses the blood brain barrier at a high clip. So that’s particularly for the brain, and we’re actually going to be enhancing that formula very soon and making it into a complex I’m very excited about that. We have our topical magnesium that’s in the glass bottle. They should always be in a glass bottle. We’re the only company, I believe, that puts it into a Myron glass bottle, which is a photonic protecting glass. And we have DMSO in there, dimethyl sulfoxide, which pushes the magnesium into the bloodstream so it can be absorbed in the soft tissues. And we have Shilla G we, I think we, we, I think we produce and sell the most Shilajit on Earth, which is a very powerful statement. For me to say, because I’ve been around Shilajit since I was a little kid. Shilajit is a Irv is the cornerstone of Ayurveda. It’s a black tar resin that comes from high altitude in the Himalayas, sometimes in Russia as well. And it’s basically a breakdown of material that combusts in the earth. And in that material is humic acid, fulvic acid, and 84 trace minerals, and it’s basically electricity for the body. I have all my world number one athletes and top athletes in the world on that it regulates thyroid and helps balance hormones. I mean, I can go on and on. It’s incredible stuff, and it’s a ritual. And we’re also making a new version of that product as well, with some really cool, interesting compounds. I’m very excited about it.

Kara Goldin 30:44
That sounds amazing. So when you, when you think about the early days of starting this business, you’ve been at it for, not for very long, for a few years. I’m sure it’s gone by pretty fast. But that the challenges, what is the most surprising challenges of you know, starting and scaling the company, I guess,

Chervin Jafarieh 31:07
yeah, I would say raw materials. You know, it’s for me, from my perspective. I’m sure my partner and CEO will have a different perspective in his domain. But for me, being in my position of handling formulations and creating products and supply chain, it’s, it’s raw materials. Because, you know, there’s no sacrifice on a raw material as far as quality. It makes it a little bit tricky, because we’ve grown to this size. And so when you have this level of growth, and you’re really built as an artisan brand, you know, this is, this was built to go to my my network, you know, I built this to supply all of my close, close compadres, if you will. And so the sourcing is probably the most difficult, but over the last year, I have made tremendous gains in terms of building supply chains with some of the best practitioners in the world that our artists and growers, artists and extractors and doing all the methods the right way, so the raw materials that we’re using are bioactive and come from a consciously clean environment. It’s so important because not only you know, outside of the all the facts that we do, all of our Ico testing and GMP lab certified and all of that stuff on every batch. Of course, that’s standard practice, but we go beyond that scope really understanding who the who are cultivating the raw materials, whether they’re trademark ingredients or not. We do, we do have a lot of trademark compounds in our formulas that come with a copious amount of clinical support, and so that would, that would be, in my eyes, the most difficult. And I’m proud that it’s difficult, because it’s not supposed to be easy. We’re talking about really having the highest expectations for the raw materials that go into our products.

Kara Goldin 33:24
So interesting. I could be here with you all day. I want to close with the love letters that you get from the consumers. Right? I can only imagine, and as I tell people that those are the letters that keep us crazy founders going right when we’re trying to, you know, do really hard things, whether it’s sourcing the right products, and then all of a sudden you get this email, this phone call and the customer service. Do you remember one of them that really kind of helped you to know I’m doing the right thing? You hit

Chervin Jafarieh 33:58
it right on the nail, like Kara. That’s, that’s literally what keeps me going. You know, I ultimately my father didn’t, did transition on, and it was a extremely dark time for me. And what kept me going was the amount of people I was helping, and it reminded me of the ceremony. We had an extra 800 people showed up to my dad’s ceremony that I didn’t know, just to get in line to tell me the impact he had on their life. And I knew that about my dad. He was so selfless. It was unreal. He just he had that, and I received that from him in his passing, fully and now, no matter where I go, whether I’m in Los Angeles, in an airport, wherever I’m at, someone’s running up to me and saying, not, not not acting. Oh, my god, somebody, I found her this. It’s more. Thank you for what you’re doing. Thank you for holding the energy. Thank you for. Or develop developing this and being so transparent, what you’re doing is changing people’s lives, including our lives. And I remember a letter that I received from a mother that her child was on the quote, unquote, autistic profile or spectrum, and the whole time that child just had a methylation issue and had mth MTHFR gene mutation, and we created a formula that has multiple forms of methylated B 12, B 12. So it had a denisocobalamin, l methylfolate. It’s just a really high end B 12 formula that helps the body process toxins and allows the liver and other organs to be able to process information. And she sent me this amazing letter saying that all of a sudden it just activated their child energetically and was able to communicate so much more. I get things like that all day long. It’s not it’s non stop and it’s it just, it’s pure energy for me, and it just reminds me of, like, all the blood, sweat and tears that have gone into this, because I don’t need to be doing this, you know, I could just be on the island, you know, we have a farm on the North Shore. I could just be there with my tribe and just, you know, growing food and hanging out on the beach and surfing all day long. But this has become greater than myself, and to be able to be in that position with, you know, my partner and CEO and the entire symbolica staff, it’s just, it’s, it’s an extraordinary feeling.

Kara Goldin 36:35
So Chervin, thank you so much for doing what you’re doing, because it’s such a great product company, Cymbiotika, everyone needs to try it really. I’m tasting it here. If you’re watching it on video, it’s it’s really, really great. So thank you for doing this, and thanks for coming on and sharing a little bit more as well. We’ll have all the info in the show notes too. But thank you and keep doing what you’re doing now right

Chervin Jafarieh 37:01
back at you, Kara. I forward to learning more about what you have going on as water is life, and I really appreciate the time to be able to open up these types of discussions, because really, this is what it’s all about. Thank

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