Dr. Heather Rogers: Founder of Doctor Rogers Skincare

Episode 857

On today’s episode, we welcome Dr. Heather Rogers, double board-certified dermatologist, Founder of Doctor Rogers Skincare, and Co-Founder of Modern Dermatology — a trusted voice of reason in a skincare world overloaded with trends, hype, and too many products.
After years of seeing hundreds of patients each week, Dr. Rogers noticed a pattern: people were overdoing it. Damaged skin barriers. Irritation. Reactive skin. Confusing routines. Products promising results but often creating more problems. That frustration led her to build Doctor Rogers Skincare, a streamlined, fragrance-free, dermatologist-tested line focused on fewer products, scientifically grounded ingredients, and formulas designed to support healing, calm inflammation, and strengthen the skin barrier.
In this episode, Dr. Rogers breaks down what actually matters in skincare — and what does not. We talk about barrier-first skincare, why sensitive skin is so often misunderstood, the biggest myths and overhyped trends in the industry, and how consumers should think about terms like “clean,” “clinical,” and “medical-grade.” She also shares what it’s like to build a consumer brand as a practicing dermatologist, what she refused to compromise on, and why simplifying your routine may be one of the best things you can do for your skin.
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Kara Goldin 0:00
I am unwilling to give up that I will start over from scratch as many times as it takes to get where I want to be. I want to be. You just want to make sure you will get knocked down, but just make sure you don’t get knocked out, knocked out. So your only choice should be go focus on what you can control, control, control. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Kara Goldin show. So join me each week for inspiring conversations with some of the world’s greatest leaders. We’ll talk with founders, entrepreneurs, CEOs, and really some of the most interesting people of our time. Can’t wait to get started. Let’s go, let’s go. Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Kara Goldin show. Skincare is biology, the skin barrier, inflammation, repair, hydration, and the daily choices that either support or disrupt how our skin functions, but the industry often makes it so confusing for people, too many products, too many claims, and too many trends. Today, I’m joined by Dr. Heather Rogers, who is a double board certified dermatologist, founder of Dr. Rogers Skincare, and co-founder of Modern Dermatology in Seattle. So, Heather sees hundreds of patients every week, and kept seeing the same issue. People were overdoing it, damage barriers, irritation products that promised results, but often made things worse. So she started and built Dr. Rogers Skincare around fewer products and better ingredients. Cannot even wait to hear more about this. It’s especially exciting to hear from somebody on Dr. Rogers’ level, starting an incredible, incredible line of products. So, Heather, Dr. Rogers, thank you so much for joining us. Nice to meet you.

Dr. Heather Rogers 1:55
Nice to meet you. Very happy to be here. Favorite things to talk about,

Kara Goldin 1:59
awesome. So, for listeners who may not have heard of Dr. Rogers Skincare yet, what is the brand, and what makes it unique and different?

Dr. Heather Rogers 2:08
The brand is a medical brand, it’s a clean brand, and like both of those are areas that we can talk about more care if you want to, but it is a brand I created for my patients, really to help them heal after procedures that I did, is that so often skincare is built for shelf life. It is built for longevity. It’s built for feeling good when you apply it to your skin, but it’s not built for giving your skin what it needs. And I wanted better options. If someone’s going to pay $5,000 for me to laser their face, I wanted to make sure what they did at home was going to help them get the best possible outcome, and so I make products that maintain and build your skin barrier, that protect your skin from free radicals and pollution, that correct damage that’s been done, and things that can be done day in and day out, particularly for aging skin, so my sort of concern is, as we age, we feel like our skin needs more, but it actually tolerates less. So, how do we walk that line of making our skin look and feel beautiful at any age without causing the inflammation, the irritation that actually damages and ages our skin?

Kara Goldin 3:18
I absolutely love your products, so I’m very, very excited to meet the face behind the brand. I’m so curious, because you’ve been in practice for a while. Are you seeing individual skin getting worse, and because of so many different product options out there? I mean, there’s also the environmental factor, but so curious, like what you have seen over the years.

Dr. Heather Rogers 3:44
So we are in this world where we are overdoing everything, like we are so obsessed with longevity and peptides and supplements and procedures and filler and facelifts at 40 and skincare, and it’s it’s all this desire to stop the inevitable, and I know this is depressing, but we’re all going to lose the war, like we’re going to lose, but there are some battles that we can win along the way, and we have to be a little bit more selective, and how we have those fights, or else we end up with outcomes that we’re not happy about, and what, what I see every week, which is so devastating, is people are crying in my office because they paid for the bluff and their eyelids are too tight, or they paid for the radio surfacing microneedling and they have scarring, or they bought the $400 face cream and now their eyes are swollen shut, and so it is really trying to help the individual understand, yes, there’s a few case examples, like there’s the alley lodgers of the world, who look amazing and are probably doing a lot, but there’s 1000s of examples of people who don’t look like themselves who have outcomes that they’re not excited about by doing too much, and so. Yeah, you know, there’s a wonderful, an interesting review that showed that when you ask Americans if they have sensitive skin, 70% of us say yes, we have sensitive skin, and my response to that is, is that because we all have sensitive skin, or is it because we sensitized our skin? Have we done so much to it that it cannot tolerate anything, or do we have an unrealistic expectation of what our skin should be able to tolerate, but both of those really means that we need to do less, we need to be more supportive of our skin and ask it to respond to fewer actives and fewer steps.

Kara Goldin 5:35
So, your brand is built around fewer products and more intentional formulas. Why do you believe that simpler can actually be more effective?

Dr. Heather Rogers 5:46
It’s like the Albert Einstein quote: everything should be as simple as possible and no simpler. So, I’m, you know, for some people five steps is a lot, but I don’t want people using products, ingredients that aren’t going to be a value add, like don’t just do it for shits and giggles, right? That’s just going to be a waste of your money and time. So, we know we have, you know, such good data about what actually works. So, I believe in a good face cream, but a good face cream isn’t dimethicone-based or mineral oil-based. Those just sit on the top layer of our skin. You want a good face cream that has chia butter in it, and squalene. Squalene is almost identical to the sebum our body makes, Jehovah esthers, glycerin, some anti-inflammatory ingredients like niacinamide. So, a well-formulated face cream is going to do a lot for you, which is why you don’t need all these standalone ingredients. You don’t need your azelaic acid separate, you don’t need your niacinamide separate, you just need a well-formulated face cream. You need an antioxidant serum. We know that vitamin C really protects our skin from pollution in the sun, different than sunscreen, but so often they’re formulated in a way that irritates the skin. There are versions of vitamin C that even really sensitive skin can tolerate, but you have to go looking for them, and so often ingredients are marketed like, oh, 20% vitamin C, that would make my face burn, like that’s not for everyone. And so it’s not that it’s about being simple, it’s about being refined, it’s about being elevated, it’s about having what you need without the fluff that makes it harder for your skin to get what it needs.

Kara Goldin 7:21
Is there an ingredient out there that is in, I guess, a lot of products that you see some of your patients coming in, and you’re just not a fan of.

Dr. Heather Rogers 7:30
Well, I think the thing that happens day in and day out, and honestly, I get in arguments with other germs about this, is dimethicone, and dimethicone is this lovely, it makes things just sit matte on your skin. It makes your skin reflective. It’s really wonderful in primers, but it doesn’t penetrate, it doesn’t give nutrients or antioxidants to your skin, and it doesn’t layer well. And so, if you’re using multiple products with dimethicone, that’s what makes it peel, like when you get the pilling of the product on your face, and so everyone’s like, “Oh, I can’t use anything, it’s always pilling. I’m like, “Well, that’s because the second product in your seven step lineup is primarily dimethicone. Nothing’s getting in past that, and it’s all just pilling up on your skin. So I’m like, “Let’s pull back, like, if you want a primer, or if your sunscreen is dimethicone-based, it’s your last step, fine, but earlier steps in your skincare regimen with that ingredient is just going to prevent you from getting the benefit from whatever you’re putting on afterwards,

Kara Goldin 8:27
and what products have that, besides everything’s greener, really interesting,

Dr. Heather Rogers 8:33
it’s in, and like most of the gel, or like water gel face creams are all dimethicone, pretty much of a face cream is made, quote unquote, for oily skin, the second ingredient is dimethicone.

Kara Goldin 8:45
So, interesting. So, if you’re peeling, that could be the reason.

Dr. Heather Rogers 8:48
Yep, it just sits on the top layer of your skin. And then the other thing that drives me crazy is this faulty information, where you have to wash your face in the morning to get off your night treatments, you have to wash off your treadmill, and you have to, I don’t know, wash off your dirty pillow. I mean, our hands are filthy, like the world is filthy. Your pillow is not the problem. And when you’re young and you have oily skin, great, washing your face twice a day might be fine, but as we age, your skin has worked so hard to rebuild that skin barrier and finally get some oil back on your skin, and then you wash it off first thing in the morning. That’s the reason why you can’t tolerate vitamin C. That’s the reason why your skin is inflamed all the time, is that we don’t need to be so obsessed with this cleanliness and this over washing. I wash my face at night before I go to bed. I do it once. I do not double cleanse, and it’s okay if you don’t get every last bit of whatever off your face, like you want to leave some of those wonderful oils that are part of your natural moisturizing factor there to keep your skin healthy.

Kara Goldin 9:48
I totally agree. So, I’ve been told the exact same thing, and for years I’ve just found even before my skin got just so dry, as I was a. Jing, I feel like that is something that so many people talk about, getting the no, you know, why

Dr. Heather Rogers 10:07
exactly? I say it on social media at least once a week, and I have so much hate over it, like the number of comments I get, we’re like, you don’t know, your pillows dirty, you have to get off the track, no, and I’m like, it’s all long gone, people like, let’s not argue about this,

Kara Goldin 10:21
that’s crazy. So, over exfoliate, over treating constantly chasing new products. You, I’m sure, have have seen this effect. Now you’ve created Dr. Rogers. So, how is your line different?

Dr. Heather Rogers 10:38
So, if you have thick, oily skin, you don’t have to use my skincare products, and if you can tolerate prescription strength tretinoin, lucky you use that. But as we age and our skin does get drier and more sensitive, there’s actually not that many options out there for us, and I think we’re told, hey, you need to exfoliate, you need to exfoliate, but our skin can’t tolerate that. So, two things: one is, is that you need to use something at night that promotes cell turnover, if that’s prescription retino and lovely. Even over the counter retinol can be hard for some people to tolerate, and there is a newer ingredient called Bouchiol, which is a plant-derived ingredient that is almost identical in retinol, and what it activates in your skin, and there was a small study showing that Bakuchiol was as effective as retinol at the same percentage, with 75% fewer irritation complications, so far better tolerated similar results, but Bakuchiol is also light stable and sun stable and air stable, so unlike retinol, which starts to break down the second you open that jar, bacultiaol maintains its shelf life. So, in my night repair treatment, I chose to use bakuchiol because I wanted something that was going to have an effective dose for a longer period of time, and then I mixed it with glycolic acid and gluconolactone, and glycolic – we now have studies showing us that glycolic acid, which is an alpha hydroxy acid, exfoliates that top layer of our skin, helps with brown, it helps with texture, it gives you a little bit more of that glass skin finish, but it also gets off the dead skin, so that things can penetrate into your skin like moisture and plump up your skin works better, and then the bakuchiol works for the deeper layers to actually build collagen and help with fine lines and wrinkles, and so again, it’s not that you, you could use two products, but I’d rather just put them together in one and make it be easier for you. So, you wash your face, you dry your face, you put on the night repair treatment, and all of my names are incredibly literal. You use it at night, and it repairs your skin. Night repair treatment, and then you put on your face cream, and these are made that you can put them around your eyes. You can use my face cream around your eyes, and like my face cream has squalene and shea butter and niacinamide and adenosine in it, so it helps with fine lines and wrinkles. You don’t need a separate face cream if you have a well-formulated product, and so that’s the nighttime routine. It’s really just wash your face, night repair treatment face cream. You go to bed if your skin’s irritated. If you had a procedure or you just had a rosacea flare, you skip the night repair treatment and instead you slug using my healing balm. And slugging is just where you coat your face with an ointment, so you don’t lose water while you sleep, and you just warm up the ointment on your hands and you just press it onto your face, and that will help that barrier repair, and if your skin is irritated, you don’t want to exfoliate it, you don’t want to do anything to it to make it more angry, you just have to baby it for a few days,

Kara Goldin 13:31
so interesting, so using the balm just is really going to bring the hydration, keep the hydration in, but also allow it to be that much more hydrated,

Dr. Heather Rogers 13:41
and it’s like 20% glycerin, right? So plain Vaseline just sits on the top of your skin and prevents water loss, which is lovely, but glycerin brings water water back to your skin, right? It’s like that’s what you want, is you want you want something that’s actually going to give your skin food and water, right? And so that’s why a non petroleum based ointment, as long as it’s hypoallergenic, can just do more for your skin, and we did clinical studies to show that, like, the skin healed much faster with my healing bomb than it did with Aquaphor.

Kara Goldin 14:09
So, interesting. So, you have 11 skews in the line, you’ve mentioned, I guess, four of them. Do I have that right? So, so,

Dr. Heather Rogers 14:17
yeah, you’re right. So, if we did the night routine face, which is a face wash, the night treatment, and the face cream. Then we have the healing balm, and the healing bomb was actually the first thing I did, and that’s what anyone who has surgery in my office puts on their stitches. It’s anyone who I laser puts on their face. It really is, and we have some kind of disgusting but impressive before and afters on the website, like it’s a, it’s a powerful healing product in the morning, we have the day preventative treatment, which is a 10% vitamin C antioxidant, but it’s mixed with two other really powerful antioxidants, one of which is called Acetylsingerone, and that is an all-star in the summer, because if you get it on a sunburn, it will reverse the sunburn, so it will. Turn the sunburn from being red to much less red, like in an hour. The sooner you get it on the burn, the faster it will work, because ace ladin run actually prevents the mutations that happen from the from the UV radiation. So that’s not in very many antioxidants, it’s very expensive, but it’s really, really powerful. So, and then we have a face lotion, which is a lighter weight face cream, still really focused on anti-inflammation, because a lot of people who have oily skin have acne and other things are caused by inflammation, so this is Centella Asiatica and Nicinamide, but in a much lighter feel, then I have a lip balm, which is just like a lovely lip balm all day, every day. We joke that it’s in the business of putting itself out of business, because you only have to put it on like twice, because it stays on your lips all day. And then I have a body repair treatment, which is sort of the sister to the face repair treatment, that’s really good at helping with like that creepy skin, the sun spots like our body skin turnover really slows down as we age, and our skin gets less soft, it gets rougher, and then you know everyone comes in with those lines around their knees and their elbows that they hate, and so my body repair treatment, I mean, and we did a study, and in 28 days we had dramatic decreasing in people’s fine lines and wrinkles around their knees and elbows. I have a body cream, and I like people to alternate. I like them to use their body repair treatment one night and the body cream the next night. And I intentionally made my body repair cream really hydrating, because I don’t have time to cover my body in two products every day. Like, who can do that? So I’m like, let’s make this easy, people. You do your exfoliation one day, and then you do your, your body cream the next day, and then we have a body wash that is currently sold out, and we’ll be relaunching this summer in new packaging,

Kara Goldin 16:53
that’s amazing. Well, your body lotion is amazing, so I’m so picky about my lotions, and it is, it’s incredible, so good, really, really nice job on that.

Dr. Heather Rogers 17:05
Thank you. It’s, it’s, I think, so often people don’t want to spend money on body products, like we’re like, oh, we, you know, it’s, I’m okay spending $250 on my eye cream, but I don’t want to spend more than $25 on my body cream, but if we think about it, 90% of our skin, right, is our body. So this is where, when we have absorbing, this is what’s going to be washed down the drain, and like accumulate in our waterways, and it needs that nutrient. And so I chose to make, I would say, more expensive. You know, they’re less watery, they have a lot of oil in them, they really help dry skin, and it makes you really soft and smooth, which is fun, but also like fix that lower leg eczema everyone gets in the winter.

Kara Goldin 17:47
So, as a physician launching a consumer brand, did you feel like a different level of responsibility, and especially it’s your name, right? So you wanted to make sure that you were launching not only products that could go beyond your practice in Seattle, but also help a lot of people. But can you talk about the thinking behind that?

Dr. Heather Rogers 18:10
I take my role as a physician very seriously, and I think that in today’s day and age with social media, we’re supposed to create content that’s entertaining, and we’re pushing products, and we are living in this fun world, and I have trouble not always thinking about Hippocratic Oath, and so my husband jokes that I’m incorruptible, but it’s just different people are different ways, and for me, I could not believe that the best thing I could give someone to put on their skin to heal it was Vaseline, like that’s really what this all started, was that you know many of us know that Bacitracen and Polysporin are a common cause of allergic reaction, a lot of doctors recommend Aquaphor, but Aquaphor has lanolin in it, which is also a common cause of allergic reaction, and so a lot of doctors just recommend plain Vaseline, and I was like, how can, like, this petroleum-based greasy ointment really be what your skin needs when it’s healing? I spent three years, I got FDA approval, like I did all of this research to make something that would work better, and it was incredibly optimistic and naive of me to think that I could get into this world, like it really was. I was.. it’s like, what is the only way? The way, the best way to be brave is to think about someone who’s worth being brave for. And it’s like, I wasn’t doing this for me, I was doing this to solve a problem I was seeing every day for my patients, and I was like, there has to be a different option. I’ll just.. I’ll just find it, like, whatever. I’ve been to school for 26 years, I can figure this out. And so I did, but during that exercise, it opened my eyes to, like, physicians recommend set a fill, that is, like, our recommended face cream or face wash for anyone who has sensitive skin. Well, set a fill has eight ingredients, three of which are parabens. It actually doesn’t take. Your makeup, and I was like, wait, like I figured out Vaseline. Okay, I’ll figure out face wash, and so this really, that was that. I didn’t start on having nine skews, but then I did the face wash, and I was like, I don’t, the face cream I actually made for myself, that I’ve always had really sensitive skin. I was like, I can’t find the face cream, or I don’t feel dry three hours later, like this is dumb, and they’re all mineral oil or dimethicone or vaseline. I’m like, I’ll find something, but like, squalene is really expensive, and if you look at most products, squalene is like the 10th, 11th, or 13th ingredient, like on me it’s the third, right? I have 11% in there, so it is. You have to go. I had to go in there being like, it’s not about the price, it’s about the ingredient, and I do believe that people will pay for something that works, but I had to get it out there and to show people it worked.

Kara Goldin 20:51
So, I’ve heard you talk about inflammation and how the role of inflammation on skin health, so it’s interesting, because I think a lot of people just think, oh, I’m swollen right at there, there’s a lot more to it than that, but I’d love to hear you speak about, you know, the calming and of the skin, and how inflammation really is plays a part in that,

Dr. Heather Rogers 21:18
a huge part of this, so we are told by our dermatologists all the time, like, hey, just push through, keep using that tretinoin, and at some point your skin will tolerate it, but that prolonged inflammation and peeling of your skin is activating a cascade of responses, which include the breakdown of collagen, and so I’m fine with people trying things for a week, but this is not something you want to suffer through for a month or for six weeks, and so it is. We know that controlled injury of the skin does lead to the formation of more collagen, but like when we laser someone, it is a singular injury, and then the body responds, it’s not this day in and day out smoldering of activating these pathways, so in addition to not wanting to irritate the skin, you want to give the skin time to respond to what you’re doing to it, and if you’re just constantly making it do more, it doesn’t have the time to respond. Our skin is amazing at correcting damage, like if you stop laying in the sun, the number of skin cancers you will make will decrease, because your body can actually retroactively correct that DNA damage, and so that’s how we should look at our skincare, is like, how do we support the skin, so the skin can do what it’s really good at, which is correct itself, like that’s what it was evolved to do there are some ingredients out there that we have clinical studies show are very calming to the skin for most people. One of them is niacinamide. Niacinamide, there are people who are allergic to nisinamide, so it’s not for everyone, but for the vast majority of it, when it’s used somewhere between two and 10% usually two to 4% seems to be the sweet spot. It calms inflammation in your face, helps with redness, helps with the actual size of your pores, because your spores become smaller because your skin is less inflamed, and so that’s an ingredient that I really try to use a lot in my, in my face moisturizers. Another ingredient is called Centella Asiatica, which is also been shown to be anti-inflammatory, but also has been shown to speed wound healing, and to really help rebuild that skin barrier. So, there are plant-based ingredients that are beneficial to the skin, and I think oftentimes doctors are worried that natural is bad, and I don’t disagree with them. There’s a lot of ingredients out there that are natural that are not helpful to the skin, but I’m trying to help my peers appreciate that there are clean ingredients that may be natural or may be synthetic, but that add value to the skin outside of just sort of coating it. So interesting. So

Kara Goldin 24:00
you touched on this right at the beginning of the episode, but clean clinical and medical grade, so those words like the big difference that people need to know about.

Dr. Heather Rogers 24:09
Yes, I, what happened was, is in the 1990s we as consumers got concerned, we are concerned about BPH, we are concerned about lead in our drinking water, and we sort of took, took things into our own hands, which I, which I’m glad that we did. And what came out of that was the launch of natural, like organic foods, took off, and the natural skincare products took off. But what also happened is the rate of allergic reactions to personal care products went up 300% So we are making natural products, and maybe they don’t have parabens in them, maybe they don’t have petroleum in them, but they have essential oils and fragrance and ingredients that our skin doesn’t tolerate. So then the Western medicine physicians were like, we’re seeing all of these horrible reactions to these natural products go back to traditional traditional. Additional is more, you know, set a fill cerabay, where it’s ingredients that are hypoallergenic, oftentimes petroleum-based, and are probably safe, but not maybe optimized. And then now, really, over the last five years, a little bit longer, clean is coming out. The problem with clean is that is not defined, so what Credo Clean is versus Sephora Clean, like those are what Heather My Clean is, like all of those are different. The Yuka app, but what I want it to be, what I talk about it as, is it’s really the best of both worlds. It’s like taking ingredients because they are safe, because they are effective, because they do not accumulate in our body or the world, and making products out of that to get the best possible outcomes, and like that’s that’s where there has been some pressure, and I do think in the last five years there are more and more clean brands that are really trying to pick the best of both those worlds. I am the only brand I know of that is a physician-based brand that is also clean, so I use medical-grade ingredients based on the research done in PubMed. I do clinical studies to formulate, but I will only formulate with what I have deemed as my clean ingredient list. And if you go to my website, you can see the way I break things down. You don’t get included unless you do something good for the skin, right, that’s the clinical efficacy component of it, but then it also has to be hypoallergenic, it has to be vegan, and then also it needs to biodegrade, because I do not want these ingredients accumulating in me or in the world, and this goes back to me taking my doctoring very responsible, like, how horrible would I feel if you were covering your body and my body cream and it had an ingredient in it. Then, three years from now, we figured out was actually our hormone disruptor. So, I just choose when the data isn’t clear, I choose to avoid that ingredient. That’s not saying that parabens are hormone disruptors. I’m just saying I’m not going to enter into that fray. I’m just going to go above it. So, in your practice,

Kara Goldin 27:00
you are also doing lasers, and some of the other treatments that you talked about. Is there one thing that is in your practice that you’re super hot on right now that most people can benefit from?

Dr. Heather Rogers 27:13
So, I spent two days a week doing surgery, and I do spend two days a week doing the more complicated cosmetic procedures, and I am a huge fan of resurfacing laser, and right now my laser of choice is the UltraClear laser, which is an erbium resurfacing laser, but we have lots of data showing that resurfacing lasers correct sun damage, decrease your risk of making pre-skin cancers and skin cancers, help with fine lines, help with wrinkles, and now with the ultra clear it has laser coring, which also helps with laxity. So I try to get my patients who are motivated to do a resurfacing laser before they’re 40, because our ability to respond to this laser goes down as our hormones change, right? Like, the more I sort of try to build some people have as much collagen as possible before things change, but there is a risk with these lasers, like they are strong, they are powerful, people can get burned from them. So I, I want the consumer, be it my patient or people in the general public, just to really have that conversation with their provider, like how many of you then I don’t, and we don’t want to go the most aggressive possible, we actually want to go as gentle as possible to get the best results, right, so you could get the same result with a really, really hard laser and a medium laser, and so you have to really know your settings, and it’s really about how me, as the painter, uses my paint brushes to give people outstanding outcomes, but I can take anywhere between five and 10 years off of someone with a good laser, and then it’s an oldie but goodie, well-placed sculpture done the right way is beautiful, and there’s a lot of discussion of sculpture means you can’t have a facelift. You people shouldn’t be getting, you know, eight vials of sculpture in a year, you know, for most people it’s two in my office, if they’re on GLP ones, and they’re losing weight faster than I can say their name. Sometimes it has to be more than that. But sculpture stimulates your body to make more collagen, and you know there is some concern that it makes the dissection of the planes for a facelift harder. My dear friends, who are very talented plastic surgeons, like David Rosenberg in Manhattan, he does not have issues with sculpture when it’s done the correct way, but also a facelift is going to mess up the planes and cost scarring. So, like, it’s interesting to me that these plastic surgeons are saying don’t do sculpture, but it’s fine to do a second facelift, so we have to take this information with a grain of salt, but I do not think there’s anything I can do that will give the result of a facelift, but I can slow things down, like I am 50 years old, I look normal, but I look younger than 50, right? And like that’s the hope, is like, how do we look like ourselves, have our movement, aren’t overfilled, aren’t, aren’t looking unusual, but. Feel like we’re winning a few of the battles of the war,

Kara Goldin 30:03
definitely. So, well, thank you so much. So, Dr. Rogers Skincare, you’ve nailed it. So, so good. And really appreciate you sharing all of the backstory with us and giving us a little bit of glimpse into what’s going on in dermatology, as well, especially around lasers and sculpture, too. So, and thank you, everyone, for listening. Such a smart conversation. Dr. Rogers Skincare will have all the info in the show notes, and for everyone listening, Dr. Heather Rogers is on social also under Dr. Rogers, so thank you again, and we’ll see you all next time.

Dr. Heather Rogers 30:46
Thank you.

Kara Goldin 30:46
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